RaiderPride
13 years ago
Really interesting read...

I would love to see a College Div 1 team give this a shot, or even a NFL team try this that is already out of the playoffs like last years Colts.

http://www.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=888058 


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Dulak
13 years ago
or even just a much bigger shift toward more plays and less punting; like I can understand 4/10 or something but a 4/5 - wonder how this would change the game ...
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13 years ago
I wouldn't mind it. I liked it when Mike went for it on 4th down when they were out around the opponent's 40-45 instead of punting. I would have liked it more if they had a stouter defense and could have done it from their own 40 a few times.
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DakotaT
13 years ago
Once you cross the opponents 40 yard line, and having an offense like we have, there is absolutely no reason to punt on 4th and 5 or less. 90% of the time the punt goes in the end zone and you gain less than 20 yards of field position. The opportunity cost lost by punting far outweighs the chance of pinning the other team deep. And kicking plus 50 yard field goals makes Mason look like a poorer kicker than he is.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Once you cross the opponents 40 yard line, and having an offense like we have, there is absolutely no reason to punt on 4th and 5 or less. 90% of the time the punt goes in the end zone and you gain less than 20 yards of field position. The opportunity cost lost by punting far outweighs the chance of pinning the other team deep. And kicking plus 50 yard field goals makes Mason look like a poorer kicker than he is.

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Tim Masthay punted the ball 55 times, 4 of which were touchbacks.

4-4-NO 37 (1:16) 8-T.Masthay punts 37 yards to end zone, Center-61-B.Goode, Touchback.
4-2-GB 48 (6:26) 8-T.Masthay punts 52 yards to end zone, Center-61-B.Goode, Touchback.
4-2-GB 37 (11:04) 8-T.Masthay punts 63 yards to end zone, Center-61-B.Goode, Touchback.
4-1-DET 46 (5:53) 8-T.Masthay punts 46 yards to end zone, Center-61-B.Goode, Touchback.

If I'm understanding what you're saying, it looks more like it's 100% of the time. 🙂 I'm with you. I wouldn't be upset if the Packers went for it on 4th down between the 40 and 30 yard line. Between the 35 and 30 in a no wind environment, I'd say kick the field goal. Any other situation, go for it!
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zombieslayer
13 years ago

Once you cross the opponents 40 yard line, and having an offense like we have, there is absolutely no reason to punt on 4th and 5 or less. 90% of the time the punt goes in the end zone and you gain less than 20 yards of field position. The opportunity cost lost by punting far outweighs the chance of pinning the other team deep. And kicking plus 50 yard field goals makes Mason look like a poorer kicker than he is.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Exactly. So you're at the opponent's 39 yard line and get a touchback. A 19 yard punt. Whooptie-do. That's when I want to slap a coach upside the head.

I don't care if it's 4th and 5. With our O, go for it. You make it, you wear down your morale. Plus, you keep our joke of a defense off the field.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
I read a statistical analysis once that concluded going for it on 4th every single time after the 40 yard line (i.e., within 60 yards of the end zone) would net an average of approximately one victory per year. For most risk-averse coaches, that isn't enough of a difference to justify the flak they would take from the public, the media, and the owners when the attempts fail.

On the other hand, that one victory could make the difference between making the playoffs and watching them from home, and one would think making the playoffs certainly improves a coach's job security. But no one ever accused humans of being logical creatures.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

I read a statistical analysis once that concluded going for it on 4th every single time after the 40 yard line (i.e., within 60 yards of the end zone) would net an average of approximately one victory per year. For most risk-averse coaches, that isn't enough of a difference to justify the flak they would take from the public, the media, and the owners when the attempts fail.

On the other hand, that one victory could make the difference between making the playoffs and watching them from home, and one would think making the playoffs certainly improves a coach's job security. But no one ever accused humans of being logical creatures.

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I think on the short side of the 50 that would be reasonable. If you fail the conversion, you give the opponent a chance to kick a long field goal with a first down. I'm definitely with the go for it club when the team is on the short side of 40.
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