How to build a NFL winner

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

I think the Vikings should trade Jared Allen and Adrian Peterson and stock up for the future. By the time they have a QB who can lead them, Peterson will have his wheels ran off and Allen won't be effective anymore.

Surely that would upset Vikings fans, but I think it would be best for the Vikings franchise. They made their run with Brett Favre, came up short. It's time to retool and draft for the future.

And with this post I probably just made Formo despise me a little more.

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dfosterf
Veteran Member

13 years ago

I think the Vikings should trade Jared Allen and Adrian Peterson and stock up for the future. By the time they have a QB who can lead them, Peterson will have his wheels ran off and Allen won't be effective anymore.
Surely that would upset Vikings fans, but I think it would be best for the Vikings franchise. They made their run with Brett Favre, came up short. It's time to retool and draft for the future.
And with this post I probably just made Formo despise me a little more.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

That's probably right. That is apparently a fan-base driven franchise. Zygi Wilf is a foreigner that owns a crap-load of real estate in New Jersey. He's probably watching soccer games when the Vikes are playing, and upon reflection, he is wise to do so...
"Super Bowl or bust"
Minnesota got "bust". Sometimes words and cliche's actually mean something.
AD and JA are going to die on their vine, like old purple grapes...
And they just might have pissed off the Packer franchise (not us the fans, mind you- the franchise) in the process to disable the brakes on the karma train... which happens to be chock full of steam...
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Formo
Veteran Member

13 years ago

Originally Posted by: dfosterf

Meh, I can't blame you guys for thinking that.. Y'all don't have any real emotion invested into the franchise. But then again, selling off Allen and AD COULD benefit the organization in the long run, there are no guarantees in the NFL. That said, I'm of the mindset of, you don't EVER, let your best players go. Ever. AD and Allen are two of the best Viking players right now. I'm all for keeping them.

As far as revenge being served cold.. I heard the saying before, Dave, but I'm afraid I might be missing the reference you are talking about.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

Much like the Detroit Lions did to Barry Sanders, the Vikings are wasting years away from Jared Allen and Adrian Peterson. Yes, they are being paid and paid well.

You are right, I have no emotional ties and that's how any General Manager should approach such decisions. You draft solid OL and DL players, get yourself an excellent QB coach to tutor Christian Ponder or Joe Webb and build from there. The Vikings are actually in a good position to be a force, IF they traded those two players away and IF they drafted wisely.

Vikings won't be anything for at least two or three years and by that time, Adrian Peterson won't be nearly as effective and Jared Allen's speed, which is his biggest asset will be diminished to pass rush specialist. Why not aim for the stars instead of settling for .500?

Formo
Veteran Member

13 years ago

The Vikings are actually in a good position to be a force, IF they traded those two players away and IF they drafted wisely.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

That's my point. There is no guarantees. This isn't Madden, doing something like that has far greater risk vs. reward. Yes, exactly what you stated is true. But the key word is 'IF'. If that move was such a smart unemotional decision, you'd see far more GMs doing this. Fact of the matter is, you don't see this happening, and that's because the risk is too high.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

Originally Posted by: Formo

Herschel Walker, Steve Walsh, those guys ring a bell at all? HELLO COWBOYS! It has happened and if the fans weren't so fickle and demanding of WIN NOW, it would happen more. You're correct, the risk does not outweigh the reward when you have a staff full of incompetent college scout evaluators like the Vikings possess.

Where did I say there was a guarantee? Where did I say this was Madden? Yeah, keep implying things because you have no legit argument at all. Go grab your purple, err sorry, ROYAL purple hanky and sob every Sunday night.

This kind of move doesn't happen anymore because teams are not allowed to rebuild, they have to try and retool instead. The Vikings simply have too many old tools and missing tools to be fixed by a plug here and there.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

LMAO, just got home from work. Guess what I hear on the radio? Denver Broncos are shopping Brandon Lloyd and D.J. Williams, two of their best players.

This will help add some umph to Formo saying this method of trading your best players on a failing team is not 'smart'. The Denver Broncos traded Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall, two of their best players. So, it still does happen, but when you have Josh McDaniels making the draft selections, it's not gonna turn out too well, lol.

dfosterf
Veteran Member

13 years ago

Originally Posted by: Formo

In a totally (un) related matter-
http://dvice.com/archives/2011/10/we-now-know-why.php

At least from this observational platform. 😝

zombieslayer
Registered

13 years ago

Just because the Broncos are doing it doesn't make it smart.

I'd love to see AP retire a Viking, just like I liked seeing Wally retire a Bear. Some things just should be done, out of general principle.

The Niners were my 2nd team in the 80s. Then they got rid of Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, and Ronnie Lott (3 of their best players) when all 3 had gas in their tanks. All 3 of them had All Pro years, not just Pro Bowl years, but All Pro years after the Niners got rid of them. Very stupid.

Oh, and the Niner dynasty ended when all 3 left. 4 SBs. Then cut your 3 best players. Very smart. Yes, they had a SB in '94 but that was a fluke year (Steve Young playing his heart out and Neon Deion, Pack93z's favorite player ever, shutting down one side of the field). That was the year the Niners slipped by the Cows.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

#10

Just because the Broncos are doing it doesn't make it smart.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer

This will help add some umph to Formo saying this method of trading your best players on a failing team is not 'smart'. The Denver Broncos traded Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall, two of their best players.

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