gbguy20
13 years ago
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McCarthy: "He's been looked at and they did classify it as a bruise. " Sigh of relief? "No doubt about it."


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blueleopard
13 years ago
From the way that collision happened and the way Tramon looked all night after? Dunno if I can call that a bruise.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
You guys are mistaking sarcasm for irony. I am not talking about saying something and meaning the opposite. When I refer to sarcasm, I am talking about saying things in a hurtful, mean-spirited, or snide way. A lot of times people on this site fail to assume good faith and interpret things meant to be matter-of-fact or even facetious as being mean. If we try to assume good faith, then people like DakotaT or myself can be snarky and tell people they're being dumbasses for thinking we're being nice when we actually are being jerks. [grin1]
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

You guys are mistaking sarcasm for irony. I am not talking about saying something and meaning the opposite. When I refer to sarcasm, I am talking about saying things in a hurtful, mean-spirited, or snide way. A lot of times people on this site fail to assume good faith and interpret things meant to be matter-of-fact or even facetious as being mean. If we try to assume good faith, then people like DakotaT or myself can be snarky and tell people they're being dumbasses for thinking we're being nice when we actually are being jerks. [grin1]

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 




Can you explain more and give another example? I think I missed your point.
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beast
13 years ago

You guys are mistaking sarcasm for irony. I am not talking about saying something and meaning the opposite. When I refer to sarcasm, I am talking about saying things in a hurtful, mean-spirited, or snide way.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 


So saying "you bastards" playfully to a couple of friends who know you're joking isn't sarcasm? 🤷
what if we refer to sarcasm in a different way? 👅

If we try to assume good faith, then people like DakotaT or myself can be snarky and tell people they're being dumbasses for thinking we're being nice when we actually are being jerks. [grin1]

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 


So are you actually being a jerk be pretending to be nice and giving confusion us about sarcasm and irony? 🤷

Can you explain more and give another example? I think I missed your point.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


He's a jerk... he says so right here 😇

people like

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 


myself can be snarky and tell people they're being dumbasses

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 


when we actually are being jerks.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 


See he's a jerk... case closed 👅

Alright I should probably stop trying to be a smart ass since (Nonstopdrivel) you're trying to help. But honestly I don't always think sarcasm is bad... it can be funny... but I think you're calling good intention funny sarcasm... snarky... and saying sarcasm implies it was meant in a negative way (which I don't define it as having to be negative which you are)
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peteralan71
13 years ago

From the way that collision happened and the way Tramon looked all night after? Dunno if I can call that a bruise.

Originally Posted by: blueleopard 



Read the rest of the thread (and avoid entering the bitching match), the individual with the bruise is Collins.

I agree with Pack93z it looked to me like there wasn't much shoulder involvement during the hit, looked more like a hyperextension of the elbow or a strain to the medial collateral ligament to the elbow. Anything with the elbow should be able to be wrapped and he should be able to play. McCarthy could very well be saying shoulder just to throw off the future competition, but I just kind of doubt it. If it IS his shoulder, I'm thinking a Bankart lesion, which involves the labrum (probably more familiar to the typical sports fan). Prognosis of a Bankart: not good.

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Pack93z
13 years ago


Anything with the elbow should be able to be wrapped and he should be able to play.

Originally Posted by: peteralan71 




Rub some sand on it.. piss (Most absurd suggestion I ever got from a coach.. albeit a different sport) or spit on it.. and if that doesn't work go see Bubba in the locker room for a shot.. [grin1]

Seriously though and joking aside.. I would rather him sit a week or even a couple than putting it at risk.

Additionally.. I wish as fans we could trust our teams representatives on face value instead of doubting their word based on competitive advantage. But the is not reality and that doubt will always be there. See Clay Matthews in the second half of last season.. aches = rather serious and affecting shin issues.
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beast
13 years ago

Read the rest of the thread (and avoid entering the bitching match), the individual with the bruise is Collins.

I agree with Pack93z it looked to me like there wasn't much shoulder involvement during the hit, looked more like a hyperextension of the elbow or a strain to the medial collateral ligament to the elbow. Anything with the elbow should be able to be wrapped and he should be able to play. McCarthy could very well be saying shoulder just to throw off the future competition, but I just kind of doubt it. If it IS his shoulder, I'm thinking a Bankart lesion, which involves the labrum (probably more familiar to the typical sports fan). Prognosis of a Bankart: not good.

Originally Posted by: peteralan71 



No idea about the medial stuff you just said... but i agree I thought it looked like a hyperectension of the elbow... but I noticed when trainers got there he was pointing to a low spot on his outside of right shoulder which I thought was odd (because to me it looked clearly elbow). Also i wonder if he was pointing at the very tip top of his tricep muscle or a very low spot on his shoulder, but they're reporting shoulder so....

So if you tear your elbow like some guys tear their knees do you think guys could wrap it up and go play a full season? (I honestly don't know and I'm asking)
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earthquake
13 years ago
Actually, its now being reported that Williams has a bruised shoulder. So bruises all-around.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/09/tramon-williams-has-bruised-shoulder/ 

Seems like good news.
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peteralan71
13 years ago

No idea about the medial stuff you just said... but i agree I thought it looked like a hyperectension of the elbow... but I noticed when trainers got there he was pointing to a low spot on his outside of right shoulder which I thought was odd (because to me it looked clearly elbow). Also i wonder if he was pointing at the very tip top of his tricep muscle or a very low spot on his shoulder, but they're reporting shoulder so....

So if you tear your elbow like some guys tear their knees do you think guys could wrap it up and go play a full season? (I honestly don't know and I'm asking)

Originally Posted by: beast 



The way he got hit it certainly doesn't look like it could be anything tricep, or even muscle related, but with how fast everything happens, who knows.

If you have sprained or torn ligaments in your elbow, you should be able to wrap it up to the point of immobilization and he should be able to play on it. The problem with playing an entire season with something like that is that from a decreased ROM due to pain (when the immobilization is off) he could develop calcium deposits, like bone spurs, muscle contractures, and a number of other things. It just depends on how badly injured he is. If it is bad, even if he feels able to go, I'm thinking they would discourage him heavily and call for surgery. That's if it would be really bad, and if it would be in the elbow.

As I said, I kind of doubt that 🇲🇲 would lie about saying it is the shoulder when it's actually the elbow, so I believe 🇲🇲 when he says it is his shoulder. Like I mentioned before, if it is a Bankart lesion then he'll be in for surgery and probably out for the season. Here's hoping that is not the case.

Wikipedia Bankart Lesion if you want more info on it, but according to my Orhopaedic Rehabilitation book, "A relative indication for surgical intervention is a younger patient, especially an athlete who desires continued participation in sports activities". Rehab would be intensive with return to sports in 6 months, maximum improvement in 12 months.

Sorry guys. Don't shoot the messenger.

EDIT: This is only if he has a Bankart!!!!
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