Zero2Cool
13 years ago

I had hoped they would show Swain the door. He hasn't shown much other than special teams the past two years, and it's not like our special teams have been stellar. This move will open the door for players like Chastin West to make the roster. Actually, I am kind of hoping that West will bump Driver, who already has at least a couple of drops this preseason.

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The last portion has me wondering ... has any Packers WR caught every pass that has hit their hands this preseason?
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evad04
13 years ago
Driver shouldn't be dropping passes. For what it's worth, he's also had some nice first down catches. Nevertheless, the thought that West would make a greater impact than Driver makes me scratch my head until it bleeds. I'm starting to think some of the posts are part of a larger conspiratorial network dedicated to making my head bleed.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Driver shouldn't be dropping passes. For what it's worth, he's also had some nice first down catches. Nevertheless, the thought that West would make a greater impact than Driver makes me scratch my head until it bleeds. I'm starting to think some of the posts are part of a larger conspiratorial network dedicated to making my head bleed.

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I've said it several times, regardless of the level, if a ball hits you in the hands, you need to catch it, period. The best way to have the pain subside from a big ass hit, is the look on the persons face who hit you when they see you still have the ball in your hands. I loved that look.

As for Donald Driver dropping passes, yes, as just mentioned it's unacceptable, but I think choosing one player who drops passes for another is jumping the gun. This coming from a guy who wouldn't mind seeing Donald Drive cut this year.

One thing I noticed during the few games in preseason, Donald Driver is the only WR that appears fearless going over the middle. I didn't get to see the first game entirely.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

Nevertheless, the thought that West would make a greater impact than Driver makes me scratch my head until it bleeds.

Originally Posted by: evad04 


Why? To me it is an awesome thought that such an unheralded player could make such a big contribution in only his first regular season on the roster.

The advantage Driver brings to the table that I think is exceedingly rare is his willingness to go over the middle and make those terrifying catches in heavy traffic, even when he knows he is going to get crunched from two directions at once. He also has the ability to fight for that extra yard or two without losing the ball, which not even some of the elite running backs and receivers in this game seem to be able to do consistently.

I don't understand the nostalgia for the status quo. I am always rooting for new guys to overtake the older ones, because that means the team is getting better, and more importantly, that the potential for success is being perpetuated. Teams that rely on contributions from longterm players edging past their prime end up stagnant and decrepit.
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evad04
13 years ago

Why? To me it is an awesome thought that such an unheralded player could make such a big contribution in only his first regular season on the roster.

The advantage Driver brings to the table that I think is exceedingly rare is his willingness to go over the middle and make those terrifying catches in heavy traffic, even when he knows he is going to get crunched from two directions at once. He also has the ability to fight for that extra yard or two without losing the ball, which not even some of the elite running backs and receivers in this game seem to be able to do consistently.

I don't understand the nostalgia for the status quo. I am always rooting for new guys to overtake the older ones, because that means the team is getting better, and more importantly, that the potential for success is being perpetuated. Teams that rely on contributions from longterm players edging past their prime end up stagnant and decrepit.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 


I'm getting a little tired of how carelessly "nostalgia" is being thrown around on these boards. I don't think I'm being nostalgic at all. Driver knows this offense as well as any player on the team because he's played through its evolution. I believe he can still play at a high level.

Green Bay will once again churn out one of the youngest rosters in the league. This is a franchise that does an incredible job of building through the draft. You already know all that, so why any trepidation about becoming stagnant? When you have a roster where you can just about count the 30 year-old+ guys on one hand (Woodson, Clifton, Driver, Pickett, maybe Wells -- not sure how old he is) there is little danger that we're on our way to the All Geriatric Nostalgia Squad. Did I miss anybody over 30? There might be a few more guys, but I think my point is still clear.

Now, if West wins a spot on the roster by beating out a guy like Driver, then so be it. I'm also for whatever is best for the team (and that includes, for instance, someone like Starks supplanting Grant as the starting RB if it's merited). But "hoping" Driver gets beat out to make room for a young guy seems antithetical to winning. I'm not hoping for a young team; I'm hoping for a great team. When Driver starts to truly show his age, I'll be on board for his departure. It will make me a bit sad when he goes -- nostalgic even. I felt the same way when Harris was let go. I felt the same way when Barnett was released. But at the end of the day I didn't lose any sleep, because I'm excited about guys like Shields and Bishop.

I'll argue anyone that Driver's "breaking down" from last year (as nerdbutt put it) had everything to do with a nagging quadriceps injury and not a decline in ability. We all remember that TD against the Niners. If DD is healthy this year, he'll be a nice contributor. A lot is made about his position on the depth chart, but methinks it a rather shallow analysis (for those that argue about his #2 status) because Green Bay's offense is so multiple that guys like Jordy Nelson can get you 10 catches for a billion yards in the Super Bowl.
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Why? To me it is an awesome thought that such an unheralded player could make such a big contribution in only his first regular season on the roster.

The advantage Driver brings to the table that I think is exceedingly rare is his willingness to go over the middle and make those terrifying catches in heavy traffic, even when he knows he is going to get crunched from two directions at once. He also has the ability to fight for that extra yard or two without losing the ball, which not even some of the elite running backs and receivers in this game seem to be able to do consistently.

I don't understand the nostalgia for the status quo. I am always rooting for new guys to overtake the older ones, because that means the team is getting better, and more importantly, that the potential for success is being perpetuated. Teams that rely on contributions from longterm players edging past their prime end up stagnant and decrepit.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 





Have you seen any indication that Uncle Teddy falls into this category? Even remotely? His teams are consistently one of the two youngest teams in the league.
that said, why not have 53 first year players? Because as you well know you gotta have some veterans around to help teach the kid a few of the tricks to the game.
Starks said he learned a lot of the vets like Woody and Williams last year.
DD brings so much to the team. he still has something left in his tank. Let him play Uncle Ted most likely plans to. I think he is a fairly good judge of talent and abilities.
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13 years ago

Why? To me it is an awesome thought that such an unheralded player could make such a big contribution in only his first regular season on the roster.

The advantage Driver brings to the table that I think is exceedingly rare is his willingness to go over the middle and make those terrifying catches in heavy traffic, even when he knows he is going to get crunched from two directions at once. He also has the ability to fight for that extra yard or two without losing the ball, which not even some of the elite running backs and receivers in this game seem to be able to do consistently.

I don't understand the nostalgia for the status quo. I am always rooting for new guys to overtake the older ones, because that means the team is getting better, and more importantly, that the potential for success is being perpetuated. Teams that rely on contributions from longterm players edging past their prime end up stagnant and decrepit.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 




It isn't just nostalgia that leads people to believe Driver may contribute more to the team than Chastin West. If Driver is the 6th or 7th best WR on the team then fine cut him but I don't think that is anywhere near the case.
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