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13 years ago
A look at the D Line 


Cullen Jenkins and Johnny Jolly, the Green Bay Packers' two best defensive linemen in 2009, are gone and may or may not have been replaced.

When attrition strikes a defensive line, it's a dangerous thing. The D-line is one of the less fortified areas on the Packers' roster, and for the group to maintain previous standards it will require good fortune and solid improvement from several unproven players.

"I think we've got some good young prospects," defensive coordinator Dom Capers said. "Hopefully, you'll see them ascend. The key is, we've got to keep them on the field through training camp."

One reason the Packers made no effort to re-sign Jenkins was the presence of Mike Neal. A second-round draft choice last year, he will be asked to replace Jenkins, but that's a tall order. Jenkins was the unit's best pass rusher four of the last five seasons.

"They're different," coach Mike McCarthy said. "But the inside pass rush is definitely a strength of (Neal's), too."

Because the Packers won the Super Bowl with a beefy base defense featuring Ryan Pickett at left end, B.J. Raji at nose tackle and Howard Green at right end, the assumption is that's the way they'd like to roll Sept. 8 against New Orleans.

Furthermore, when just two defensive linemen play on passing downs between the outside linebackers, the hope is that Neal would join Raji in the spot from which Jenkins did so much damage with power, fast hands and a spin move.

"I think (Neal) can play first, second and third down," Capers said. "He's just so doggone strong, and he's got the size and the athletic ability you want. I think he can play any of the techniques we ask."

Given his weight (295 pounds), strength and youth, Neal could solve whatever concerns the Packers have by assuming the iron-man role that Raji took on so well last year. Raji saved the day up front by playing 85% of the snaps, more than any other Packers' defensive tackle had played since at least the late 1990s.

Other than Raji, one of the most impressive young defensive tackles, the Packers have no other sure things.

Pickett will be 32 in October, has lost range during his 11-year career and must forever fight the battle of the bulge.

Green, 32, is coming off a storybook season for a humble giant of a man cut 10 times over the years. But Green's weight was an issue even with coaches and trainers hovering around him daily. If his weight gets away from him, his career would go south in a hurry.

Then there's Neal, who will be watched closely coming back from rotator cuff and labrum surgery in his right shoulder Oct. 26. In 2007, he had a labrum operation on his left shoulder. And, in September, he missed the first three games with a freakish rib injury.

Granted, Neal looks chiseled, just the way an end should be drawn up. But the Packers can ill afford for injuries to keep dogging him.

"People expect me to be some type of all-star off the bat," Neal said Saturday. "That's not going to happen; I haven't played football in a year. But I'm more than confident by the time we start the season I'll be back where I left off."

The Detroit Lions and Washington Redskins, the only two teams that Neal played against, would attest to how hard to handle Neal was and figures to be.

On Saturday, Jenkins landed with the Philadelphia Eagles. Jolly, his former linemate, is serving five years probation on a narcotics charge and, if he ever is reinstated to the NFL, odds are it won't be with Green Bay.

Other than drafting Neal high, general manager Ted Thompson hasn't made a major move in two years at the position. Thus, he will have to count on Green plus three ends drafted in the late rounds: C.J. Wilson, Jarius Wynn and Lawrence Guy.

Jettisoned by the New York Jets at midseason, Green proved to be a godsend for Capers, who was head coach in Houston in 2002 when the Texans drafted Green in the sixth round. He generally held the point of attack and ate up blocks, and his pass rush wasn't bad, either.

Just ask the Pittsburgh Steelers, especially guard Chris Kemoeatu and quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

"He did exactly what we asked him to do," D-line coach Mike Trgovac said at the Super Bowl. "Just stay in your gap and keep the linebackers free."

If Green runs out of magic, the Packers probably would try to find another wide body. Wilson has bulked up 15 pounds (to 305) in a year's time and will be asked to play a key supportive role, but he isn't the run-stopper that the others are.

"I thought C.J. played better and better as the year went on," McCarthy said. "He's another guy I'd love to see the jump he can make from year one to year two."

Wilson probably plays the run better than the pass. That's unlike Wynn, who is almost undersized as a 3-4 end but possesses pass-rush charge and burst.

"Jarius got better, too," McCarthy said. "He grew up a lot."

Guy fell to the seventh round in April, according to some scouts, because of his offbeat personality and softness at the point. He has ideal size, can accelerate to the quarterback and offers something in pursuit.

The decision to move Raji inside after a disappointing rookie season spent backing up Jolly at left end sent Pickett off the nose for the first time in his five seasons in Green Bay. Pickett is almost impossible to move when he's in condition and fresh, but offers almost nothing to the pass rush.

"I thought 'Pick' played well," McCarthy said. "It was new for him out there. But you need two of those guys if you're going to stay committed to (stopping) the run. The ability to have really three anchors was big."

That leaves Raji, who was a different player in 2010 than in 2009.

"I didn't like my rookie year particularly, either," Raji said. "I felt like I needed to step up to those guys' level, as far as Clay (Matthews) and 'Jenks.' Once we got the play out of myself, I think the sky was the limit for us."

Raji didn't make the Pro Bowl but he certainly could have. A non-pass rusher as a rookie, he became a good one in his second season.

At this point, Raji isn't great at the point of attack. He can be moved. But he also has excellent feet and uses them to slip around blocks.

"The knocks on Raji are the same when he came out," an AFC personnel director said in mid-December. "He can be a flash player. But often noses are just first- and second-down players.

"That's the master value of B.J. Raji. He gives them three-down value as a traditional nose tackle. That's hard to find. The other one in the league that's like that is (Jay) Ratliff of Dallas.

"But Ratliff is more of a true one-gap nose tackle than a two-gapper. Raji can do both."


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Greg C.
13 years ago
This guy tries to get a little more mileage out the departure of Johnny Jolly, but Jolly hasn't played since 2009. He was already lost and replaced last year. When you get right down to it, the D-line lost one guy (Jenkins), and they're getting one guy back (Neal). Although Neal is an injury risk, so was Jenkins. Also, I think the upside of Wilson and Wynn (and maybe Guy) outweighs the possible decline of Pickett and Green. I really think the D-line is in good shape.
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olds70supreme
13 years ago
The D-line has me more nervous than any other position on the team. Sure we "only" lost Jenkins, but keep in mind that Raji defied the odds last year by playing way more snaps than is typical. This really helped us because in reality we were already short at D-line last year. I'm nervous that counting on a repeat of an under-appreciated performance will backfire. So, hoping that Neal is an adequate replacement for Jenkins, we are still short on guys. I can't offer any solutions to this and I'm sure the coaches looked hard despite what they say publicly.
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beast
13 years ago
People keep saying Neal is back... well he's not back on the field in pads (yet) so I'm not counting on him (yet). He might start the year on the PUP, like Stark, Bigby and Harris did last year.

As I see it the Packers DL is being lead by the big boys... all over 335 pounds, Raji, Pickett and Green. Raji and Green have some pass rush and Pickett is the hardest to move (forward or backward). But remember Matthews forcing the fumble in the Super Bowl? ... the RB was backing up as Pickett got push in the running game and made the RB move towards where Matthews was going alreayd and the RB got sandwich in between his blocker, Pickett and Matthews... matthews hit fumble... Bishop recovers.

Wilson still doesn't look like he's using power moves... Guy has potential but I'm not thinking he'll be a big player right away. Wynn could be a role player but I'm thinking the 3-4 isn't the best fit for him. I'm interested in seeing Eli Joseph... 43 bench reps of 225, college NT in a 3-4... he might have the power... if he has quickness and quick feet he might have very good potential.
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13 years ago

People keep saying Neal is back... well he's not back on the field in pads (yet) so I'm not counting on him (yet). He might start the year on the PUP, like Stark, Bigby and Harris did last year.

As I see it the Packers DL is being lead by the big boys... all over 335 pounds, Raji, Pickett and Green. Raji and Green have some pass rush and Pickett is the hardest to move (forward or backward). But remember Matthews forcing the fumble in the Super Bowl? ... the RB was backing up as Pickett got push in the running game and made the RB move towards where Matthews was going alreayd and the RB got sandwich in between his blocker, Pickett and Matthews... matthews hit fumble... Bishop recovers.

Wilson still doesn't look like he's using power moves... Guy has potential but I'm not thinking he'll be a big player right away. Wynn could be a role player but I'm thinking the 3-4 isn't the best fit for him. I'm interested in seeing Eli Joseph... 43 bench reps of 225, college NT in a 3-4... he might have the power... if he has quickness and quick feet he might have very good potential.

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He probably is "back". It appears as if the coaching staff, having the luxury of bring him on slowly have chosen to do so. They are the ones with the whistles so I will let them do as they see fit.
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Greg C.
13 years ago
Players who are coming off injuries often sit out the beginning of training camp. Neal should be ready to go by opening day.
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