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13 years ago
Cullen Jenkins has been a hot topic this offseason. Most people have come to the conclusion that he will be playing eslewhere next season. This is leaving most packers fans wondering how the defense will adapt to his loss. Personally I'm a huge Jenkins fan. I think he has been one of the packers best players for a number of years. But in reading a boatload of discussions about Jenkins this offseason, I have failed to see any mention of how the packers faired without out him last season.

Basically, in 5 games without Jenkins last season the packers gave up an average of 13.5 points a game. In the last 4 game stretch without Jenkins the packers only allowed 11 points per game. That included a 6 sack pounding of a Jay Cutler and a 3 sack performance that made Tom Brady look like a rookie quarterback starting his first game. In short the packers faired better without Jenkins on the field, at least from a statistical standpoint. Remember the packers did not have Neal in any of those games. They were also missing both Pickett and Green in the first game against the vikings.

Now anybody who watches football knows it would be great to have Jenkins back. But why people continue to question the packers ability to deal with his loss is beyond me. Did anybody watch last season. Capers cleary proved he could compensate for Jenkins loss.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago

Cullen Jenkins has been a hot topic this offseason. Most people have come to the conclusion that he will be playing eslewhere next season. This is leaving most packers fans wondering how the defense will adapt to his loss. Personally I'm a huge Jenkins fan. I think he has been one of the packers best players for a number of years. But in reading a boatload of discussions about Jenkins this offseason, I have failed to see any mention of how the packers faired without out him last season.

Basically, in 5 games without Jenkins last season the packers gave up an average of 13.5 points a game. In the last 4 game stretch without Jenkins the packers only allowed 11 points per game. That included a 6 sack pounding of a Jay Cutler and a 3 sack performance that made Tom Brady look like a rookie quarterback starting his first game. In short the packers faired better without Jenkins on the field, at least from a statistical standpoint. Remember the packers did not have Neal in any of those games. They were also missing both Pickett and Green in the first game against the vikings.

Now anybody who watches football knows it would be great to have Jenkins back. But why people continue to question the packers ability to deal with his loss is beyond me. Did anybody watch last season. Capers cleary proved he could compensate for Jenkins loss.

Originally Posted by: adroge 



An elite player is always nice to have. Yes, he is elite. The game per game stats prove it.

But I think it comes down to Mike talking about his two big points - accountability and availability. Jenkins has #1. He doesn't have #2. (Which is why I'm surprised we still have Harrell).

Good point though that we can win games without him. We are just that good.
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Bigbyfan
13 years ago
I'd rather save the money for the upcoming contract extensions of Clay Matthews and Jermichael Finley. The Packers can't just throw money at every contributing player, especially an injury-prone, 30+ year old defensive end.
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get_louder_at_lambeau
13 years ago
One thing to keep in mind with Cullen Jenkins is that his 7 sacks in 2010 was his career high. It was very impressive, especially with his injuries, but he has been going at it for 7 years now, and 7 sacks was his career best. And that was in a contract year, coincidentally or not.

He has averaged just over 4 sacks a year over his career. Not bad, especially for a guy who played DT during much of that time, but not "elite" production over his Packer career thus far.

Don't get me wrong- I'd LOVE to see the Packers bring him back, but he's not as irreplaceable as his 2010 stats make him seem, and even if they break the bank to sign him, they might end up with 4 sacks per year even for their money if he's fairly healthy.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago 

	G 	GS 	Comb 	Total 	Ast 	Sck 
2010 	11 	8 	18 	13 	5 	7.0 
2009 	16 	16 	32 	23 	9 	4.5 
2008 	4 	4 	13 	10 	3 	2.5 
2007 	16 	15 	44 	26 	18 	1.0 
2006 	14 	5 	32 	23 	9 	6.5 
2005 	16 	12 	37 	23 	14 	3.0 
2004 	16 	6 	18 	12 	6 	4.5

It's been said that the per game stats prove Cullen Jenkins is elite. My interpretation of elite is the best of the best, a class of their own. Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Jim Brown, etc ... while understanding I use elite more frugal than most, I figured I'd dredge up these stats for shits an grins.

Cullen Jenkins has played in 93 games and racked up 29 sacks and 130 tackles. That's about 1.4 tackles per game and 0.3 sack per game.

0.3 sack per game
1.4 tackles per game


Unless my math is wrong, which, let's face it, I'm sure it is.
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beast
13 years ago

Cullen Jenkins has played in 93 games and racked up 29 sacks and 130 tackles. That's about 1.4 tackles per game and 0.3 sack per game.

0.3 sack per game
1.4 tackles per game

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I wonder how many "pressures" he has gotten though the years. One year (09?) he got a huge amount of pressures but he couldn't finish them off for sacks, but it did make the QB throw the ball quicker which lead to some easy INTs by the DBs. INT > Sack
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

I wonder how many "pressures" he has gotten though the years. One year (09?) he got a huge amount of pressures but he couldn't finish them off for sacks, but it did make the QB throw the ball quicker which lead to some easy INTs by the DBs. INT > Sack

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That's one stat I think gets overlooked far too often. When you rattle a QB with a 300lb dude in his face, that counts for something.
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gbguy20
13 years ago
Great thread, hadn't looked at it that way at all. I tried to thank you but can't figure out if i did it right or not.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Great thread, hadn't looked at it that way at all. I tried to thank you but can't figure out if i did it right or not.

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There's a series of buttons above the text of the post. Quote ..etc ... the last one is Thank. If you click Thank, you'll see your name below the body of the post.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago 


	G 	GS 	Comb 	Total 	Ast 	Sck 
2010 	11 	8 	18 	13 	5 	7.0 
2009 	16 	16 	32 	23 	9 	4.5 
2008 	4 	4 	13 	10 	3 	2.5 
2007 	16 	15 	44 	26 	18 	1.0 
2006 	14 	5 	32 	23 	9 	6.5 
2005 	16 	12 	37 	23 	14 	3.0 
2004 	16 	6 	18 	12 	6 	4.5

It's been said that the per game stats prove Cullen Jenkins is elite. My interpretation of elite is the best of the best, a class of their own. Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Jim Brown, etc ... while understanding I use elite more frugal than most, I figured I'd dredge up these stats for shits an grins.

Cullen Jenkins has played in 93 games and racked up 29 sacks and 130 tackles. That's about 1.4 tackles per game and 0.3 sack per game.

0.3 sack per game
1.4 tackles per game


Unless my math is wrong, which, let's face it, I'm sure it is.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



You need to compare against peers. For example, DE in a 4-3 is going to get a hell of a lot more stats than DE in a 3-4. For a DE in a 3-4, his stats stand out. He's elite because he's in the top of his peers.

Elite means top echelon of your peers. For example, Ahman Green was elite in 2003.
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