macbob
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14 years ago
I don't think the Oakland 'stain' will keep him out.

http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110521/PKR07/110521029/Mike-Vandermause-column-Super-Bowl-win-can-only-help-Woodson-s-Hall-Fame-odds?odyssey=tab |topnews|img|FRONTPAGE

Signing a free-agent contract with the Green Bay Packers five years ago was the best career move of Charles Woodson’s life.

It led the veteran cornerback to achieve his long coveted dream of winning a championship. It could also result in Woodson one day getting inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

To say that Woodson’s NFL career has been revitalized in Green Bay would be an understatement. Of Woodson’s 30 interceptions in five seasons with the Packers, eight have been returned for touchdowns.

Woodson also has forced 13 fumbles as a Packer and recovered five more. He has been a dynamic big-play machine in Green Bay and a catalyst for coordinator Dom Capers’ highly touted defense.

Don’t think that Hall of Fame voters haven’t taken notice. Woodson’s five-year reign of terror with the Packers, combined with a solid eight-year career with the Oakland Raiders, makes him a probable, if not likely candidate to be enshrined in Canton.

“Woodson is not Reggie White, and he’s not Deion Sanders, but I think his credentials are better than some cornerbacks in the Hall of Fame,” said Cliff Christl, a Pro Football Hall of Fame voter for the past 10 years who has covered the NFL for nearly four decades. “I think he’s pretty close to being almost a certainty, almost a cinch.”

Christl, a former Packers beat writer and sports editor for the Green Bay Press-Gazette, is one of 44 Hall of Fame voters. He knows not everyone on the selection panel will share his high opinion of Woodson.

“I don’t think Woodson’s going to be an automatic,” Christl said. “You’re going to probably have to sell some people. But I do think he’s got a really strong chance.”

There are 15 cornerbacks in the Hall of Fame, although four of them also played safety during their careers. Only one has more interception returns for touchdowns than Woodson, who also ranks eighth among that group in interception return yards.

Woodson, a 13-year veteran, has 47 career interceptions, which is on par with Hall of Famers Herb Adderley (48), Jimmy Johnson (47), Mike Haynes (46) and Roger Wehrli (40).

When asked during a recent interview with AnnArbor.com how many more years he plans to play, Woodson replied: “As many as they’ll have me in Green Bay.”

That would suggest Woodson is capable of increasing his interception total to the level of such Hall of Famers as Mel Renfro (52), Sanders (53), Willie Brown (54), Darrell Green (54) and Lem Barney (56).

But Christl isn’t a big proponent of relying solely on statistics to select Hall of Famers.

“I don’t think it’s just interceptions,” he said. “Interceptions can be a deceiving stat for cornerbacks. Sometimes that means they’re picking on you. But some of the really special ones, teams just avoided throwing in their area. In that regard, Woodson’s a lot like Adderley. I mean that was Adderley’s forte, making big plays in big games.”

Christl maintains that Adderley, who played under Vince Lombardi during the Packers’ Glory Years in the 1960s, is the best cornerback in team history. He doesn’t hesitate to rank Woodson second best on the Packers’ all-time list.

“I talk to a lot of people — scouts, old coaches — and get their feedback, and I can’t imagine that most of those people won’t endorse Woodson (for the Hall of Fame) at some point once he retires,” Christl said. “And the other thing is just watching a guy play. Great players jump out at you. You don’t have to be a scout to watch a football game and determine who the special players are, and Woodson’s one of those guys.”

Even as Woodson’s coverage skills have declined with advancing age, he’s still capable of making plays and being a difference-maker.

“Next to Clay Matthews he was still the biggest play guy on that defense,” Christl said. “And they found a way to use him to take advantage of that skill.”

Some say Woodson’s tenure in Oakland will hurt his Hall of Fame chances. In five of his eight seasons he recorded just one interception. But he also earned four Pro Bowl berths and was part of the Raiders’ 2002 Super Bowl qualifying team.

“He came out of (Oakland) with somewhat of a reputation of being a disgruntled player, and having had somewhat of a checkered career there because of injuries,” Christl said. “But let’s face it, he was one of the premier athletes in the league regardless of what happened there.”

The fact is, Woodson was very good with the Raiders but took his game to another level in Green Bay. He has added three Pro Bowl berths and an NFL defensive player of the year award to his lofty list of accomplishments.

But nothing was sweeter for Woodson than the Packers’ victory over Pittsburgh in Super Bowl XLV, even though he broke his collarbone and couldn’t play in the second half.

“It’s a thing where from now on, for the rest of history, I’ll be a champion, always looked at as a champion,” Woodson said. “That says it all.”

That championship can only enhance Woodson’s Hall of Fame credentials in the eyes of voters.

“I think it helps any time you’ve got that on your resume that you won a Super Bowl, and particularly in his case because of the big plays,” Christl said. “He contributed big plays to a Super Bowl champion.”

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wpr
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14 years ago
It is really hard to compare CB stats from different eras. The NFL throws the ball so much more today than they did 15 years ago. And like Christl says they avoid throwing at the better defenders.

That said I agree Woody has an outstanding chance of making it to the Hall. I wonder if he will get his number retired.
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14 years ago
Greg C.
14 years ago

It is really hard to compare CB stats from different eras. The NFL throws the ball so much more today than they did 15 years ago. And like Christl says they avoid throwing at the better defenders.

That said I agree Woody has an outstanding chance of making it to the Hall. I wonder if he will get his number retired.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Actually, I don't think interception totals have changed all that much from the old days. They may have even gone down a bit. In the old days, they used throw downfield a lot and take their chances. When the West Coast offense arrived, teams began throwing mostly short passes. It is still hard to judge CB's by stats, though. There isn't much to go by.

As for Woodson, with the MVP season in 2009 he got over the hump and became a likely Hall of Famer. I think the championship last year just about sealed the deal.
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wpr
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14 years ago

Actually, I don't think interception totals have changed all that much from the old days. They may have even gone down a bit. In the old days, they used throw downfield a lot and take their chances. When the West Coast offense arrived, teams began throwing mostly short passes. It is still hard to judge CB's by stats, though. There isn't much to go by.

As for Woodson, with the MVP season in 2009 he got over the hump and became a likely Hall of Famer. I think the championship last year just about sealed the deal.

Originally Posted by: Greg C. 



I guess I meant when teams ran the ball 75% of the time and threw 25% there were less opportunities for interceptions. Now that the passing game is predominate it changes the duties of a CB a bit.
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Kingkoopa
14 years ago
Woodson is a HOFer IMO. The thing I wonder about, is whether or not we put his name in the ring of honor.
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	TEAM 	S.T.
DVOA 	LAST
YEAR 	WEIGHTED 	FG/XP 	KICK 	KICK
RET 	PUNT 	PUNT
RET 	HIDDEN 	WEATHER 	NON-ADJ
VOA 
				DVOA 	RANK 						PTS 	RANK 	PTS 	RANK 	
1	CHI	6.3%	3	7.7%	2	0.6	-4.0	14.6	-0.2	26.0	-9.8	28	9.6	3	5.9%
2	ATL	5.4%	22	9.1%	1	4.2	13.6	8.7	0.0	5.1	4.7	6	2.3	13	6.3%
3	SEA	5.3%	15	2.0%	13	-2.3	11.6	18.3	-1.0	4.4	16.2	1	4.5	5	5.1%
4	BAL	5.1%	8	7.4%	3	4.3	13.5	0.8	17.4	-5.7	11.1	2	-0.7	20	4.3%
5	NYJ	4.9%	6	4.9%	4	-2.2	-0.1	19.4	14.8	-3.2	-16.1	31	-2.9	25	4.1%
6	TEN	4.5%	24	4.9%	5	9.0	-2.0	11.9	0.2	7.3	5.9	5	-4.1	27	5.2%
7	JAC	4.1%	25	2.2%	12	1.9	12.2	-1.8	8.6	3.0	-5.1	20	-4.9	30	4.4%
8	NE	4.0%	13	4.6%	6	1.2	-4.1	11.4	7.3	7.7	2.5	9	3.5	11	3.2%
9	ARI	3.3%	10	4.3%	8	9.1	7.3	13.8	0.7	-11.5	7.6	4	-5.4	32	3.5%
10	CLE	2.3%	1	2.9%	11	-1.1	12.5	-7.3	11.8	-2.1	-13.3	29	3.7	10	2.2%
11	DET	2.2%	31	0.5%	15	6.4	-1.4	10.9	-6.8	3.7	-14.6	30	4.1	7	3.0%
12	PHI	2.0%	2	4.4%	7	3.7	8.2	-9.9	8.6	1.1	-1.8	17	1.9	16	1.3%
13	OAK	1.5%	17	3.6%	9	3.5	0.8	5.0	9.9	-10.2	9.0	3	1.0	17	2.1%
14	STL	0.5%	11	3.3%	10	-2.3	2.4	-8.8	5.6	6.0	2.2	10	-0.4	19	1.9%
15	DAL	0.5%	14	1.2%	14	-5.5	1.2	-14.6	6.3	15.3	-9.6	26	10.6	2	1.1%
16	PIT	0.4%	30	-0.8%	17	-1.9	-2.1	3.8	8.7	-6.3	0.2	14	-3.8	26	-0.6%
	TEAM 	S.T.
DVOA 	LAST
YEAR 	WEIGHTED 	FG/XP 	KICK 	KICK
RET 	PUNT 	PUNT
RET 	HIDDEN 	WEATHER 	NON-ADJ
VOA 
				DVOA 	RANK 						PTS 	RANK 	PTS 	RANK 	
17	BUF	-0.1%	12	-1.7%	24	-0.5	3.4	-4.5	-0.4	1.6	-1.3	15	-1.3	22	-0.7%
18	TB	-0.4%	5	-1.2%	20	-0.7	-3.1	3.9	3.3	-5.9	-5.3	21	4.2	6	0.0%
19	MIN	-1.2%	4	-1.3%	22	2.0	-15.7	4.3	6.2	-3.7	-1.6	16	-2.3	24	-1.1%
20	CAR	-1.3%	29	-0.7%	16	6.4	6.3	-9.5	-9.0	-1.7	-6.3	23	-4.2	28	-1.0%
21	NO	-1.3%	28	-1.6%	23	-6.1	1.4	-3.3	4.1	-3.9	2.2	11	2.4	12	-0.5%
22	SF	-1.4%	19	-1.3%	21	-1.3	-11.8	-5.0	4.9	5.1	-9.6	27	3.9	8	-1.7%
23	HOU	-1.5%	7	-1.8%	25	9.2	1.6	-10.0	-4.5	-4.9	4.3	7	-1.1	21	-1.0%
24	KC	-1.8%	26	-3.8%	30	-2.8	-2.3	-9.1	-1.5	5.3	1.5	13	-5.4	31	-2.0%
25	WAS	-1.9%	23	-2.1%	26	-16.6	17.0	6.9	-22.1	3.4	-5.7	22	-4.7	29	-2.2%
26	GB	-2.1%	32	-0.8%	18	-0.1	-7.0	-6.1	3.5	-2.4	3.1	8	2.0	15	-2.6%
27	DEN	-2.2%	18	-0.9%	19	2.4	-4.5	2.9	-13.0	-0.6	1.8	12	0.9	18	-0.6%
28	CIN	-3.0%	21	-3.4%	29	-7.4	-11.2	-3.5	8.7	-4.3	-9.5	25	2.0	14	-3.6%
29	MIA	-3.1%	9	-2.3%	27	-2.0	-7.7	-3.6	-4.1	-1.0	-17.6	32	11.2	1	-3.0%
30	NYG	-4.9%	27	-3.8%	31	-0.7	3.4	-7.9	-15.6	-8.2	-4.2	19	5.2	4	-5.5%
31	IND	-5.4%	20	-6.3%	32	6.9	-3.4	-17.6	-8.1	-9.5	-7.8	24	3.9	9	-4.4%
32	SD	-8.6%	16	-2.4%	28	1.5	-17.7	-3.5	-34.3	3.2	-3.8	18	-2.2	23	-8.2%
wpr
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14 years ago

Woodson is a HOFer IMO. The thing I wonder about, is whether or not we put his name in the ring of honor.

Originally Posted by: Kingkoopa 



I was too until I saw somewhere that all the HOFers are on the ring of honor.
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Kingkoopa
14 years ago

I was too until I saw somewhere that all the HOFers are on the ring of honor.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Oh really! I didn't know that, but that means Sharper might get into the ring of honor 🤨
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Greg C.
14 years ago

I guess I meant when teams ran the ball 75% of the time and threw 25% there were less opportunities for interceptions. Now that the passing game is predominate it changes the duties of a CB a bit.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



But opportunities for interceptions have actually declined a bit even though teams pass more, because for the most part the passes are less risky. Also, the rules are not nearly as favorable for DB's as they used to be. They are often penalized for even the slightest contact.

Take a look at the career leaders in interceptions. There are lots of older players here, even though they had shorter seasons back then:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/def_int_career.htm 

This suggests that Charles Woodson's high interception total is not a byproduct of his era.
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