warhawk
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14 years ago
I just read an article that talked about teams moving to the late first round for a QB. This is something that I have felt might happen. After Gabbert and Newton teams might not want to reach for the remaining QB's but may want to jump on one before round 2.

I don't know how he does it but I would like to see Ted Thompson try and get as many picks in the 2nd and 3rd round as he can and get a couple of those early in those rounds.

I see a lot of good names left early in those two rounds. If Ted can get four picks in the 2nd and 3rd and a couple other later picks I think he will pull off a great draft.

On the other hand a team like Washington is in a bad position because the top two QB's will probably be gone so they may want to trade back and get one late in the round. If Ted did that and got a Quinn type player it wouldn't hurt my feelings at all.
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DakotaT
14 years ago
War, there's three players worth trading up to 10 for and that's P. Peterson, Von Miller, and Tyron Smith. And there's a good chance all three are gone by 10, so I don't see that as likely.

I do like the four players in rounds 2 and 3 approach. You could get an interior Olineman, a DE, an OLB, and a receiver/returner and fill most of our needs.
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millertime
14 years ago

War, there's three players worth trading up to 10 for and that's P. Peterson, Von Miller, and Tyron Smith. And there's a good chance all three are gone by 10, so I don't see that as likely.

I do like the four players in rounds 2 and 3 approach. You could get an interior Olineman, a DE, an OLB, and a receiver/returner and fill most of our needs.

"DakotaT" wrote:



Yeah, I agree that there a sharp drop off in talent from those 3 players to the other guys at the position. I would love for GB to make a move to the early 20s. That would almost guarantee that they would get a shot at either Carimi, Costanzo, Solder, or Pouncey. All those guys (except maybe Solder) could start from Day 1 on our oline. Even with Solder, he could ride the pine for a year while he develops, then start next year at LT if Clifton retires.
DakotaT
14 years ago


Yeah, I agree that there a sharp drop off in talent from those 3 players to the other guys at the position. I would love for GB to make a move to the early 20s. That would almost guarantee that they would get a shot at either Carimi, Costanzo, Solder, or Pouncey. All those guys (except maybe Solder) could start from Day 1 on our oline. Even with Solder, he could ride the pine for a year while he develops, then start next year at LT if Clifton retires.

"millertime" wrote:



I've been thinking about this left tackle thing, and I don't see us going that route of trading up. I think they are counting on TJ Lang to play RT and moving Bulaga to LT; or they are grooming Marshall Newhouse to play LT when Clifton is finally done and leaving Bulaga at RT. Either way, I don't think any of those 1st round projected guys is better than anything we already have, except I like Solder's ceiling of potential.

I'd love to grab one of those stud interior guys though in the second round, which is why I like Warhawk's take on the trade back out of round one. I don't really care for Wells, Colledge, and Clifton left side at all; but as long as Clifton can play well, might as well leave things alone. Most of us think Colledge is gone, but we'll see on that one.
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warhawk
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14 years ago


Yeah, I agree that there a sharp drop off in talent from those 3 players to the other guys at the position. I would love for GB to make a move to the early 20s. That would almost guarantee that they would get a shot at either Carimi, Costanzo, Solder, or Pouncey. All those guys (except maybe Solder) could start from Day 1 on our oline. Even with Solder, he could ride the pine for a year while he develops, then start next year at LT if Clifton retires.

"DakotaT" wrote:



I've been thinking about this left tackle thing, and I don't see us going that route of trading up. I think they are counting on TJ Lang to play RT and moving Bulaga to LT; or they are grooming Marshall Newhouse to play LT when Clifton is finally done and leaving Bulaga at RT. Either way, I don't think any of those 1st round projected guys is better than anything we already have, except I like Solder's ceiling of potential.

I'd love to grab one of those stud interior guys though in the second round, which is why I like Warhawk's take on the trade back out of round one. I don't really care for Wells, Colledge, and Clifton left side at all; but as long as Clifton can play well, might as well leave things alone. Most of us think Colledge is gone, but we'll see on that one.

"millertime" wrote:



I don't really see Ted Thompson trading up either. I think he made that move when the switch to the 3-4 was made and they had to have the players to get them where they are now. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if he did it but I would be extremely surprised.

Bulaga dropped in their lap but did take up their 1st round last year and I doubt Ted makes a costly move draft pick wise to get another OT this year. That would mean using a 1st for an OT in '10 and probably 1st and 2nd (to move up into the 20's) in '11 for another OT. That's a lot of draft "weight" at one position over two years.

The problem for QB needy teams is that most of them draft early but only two are really worth taking that early. However, with not being able to go to FA what does a team like Washington do looking at Grossman as their starter going into the draft?

Personally I hope the Redskins and Vikes choke and grab Locker and Mallett worried that there's no way they will come back to them in round 2. That would almost have to leave a couple of good players on the board in the event Ted can't find a trade partner to move back.
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millertime
14 years ago


Yeah, I agree that there a sharp drop off in talent from those 3 players to the other guys at the position. I would love for GB to make a move to the early 20s. That would almost guarantee that they would get a shot at either Carimi, Costanzo, Solder, or Pouncey. All those guys (except maybe Solder) could start from Day 1 on our oline. Even with Solder, he could ride the pine for a year while he develops, then start next year at LT if Clifton retires.

"DakotaT" wrote:



I've been thinking about this left tackle thing, and I don't see us going that route of trading up. I think they are counting on TJ Lang to play RT and moving Bulaga to LT; or they are grooming Marshall Newhouse to play LT when Clifton is finally done and leaving Bulaga at RT. Either way, I don't think any of those 1st round projected guys is better than anything we already have, except I like Solder's ceiling of potential.

I'd love to grab one of those stud interior guys though in the second round, which is why I like Warhawk's take on the trade back out of round one. I don't really care for Wells, Colledge, and Clifton left side at all; but as long as Clifton can play well, might as well leave things alone. Most of us think Colledge is gone, but we'll see on that one.

"millertime" wrote:



I really don't know how you guys can be so high on Newhouse. He barely made the roster and was a late round pick for a reason. I'm not sure I'd want that guy protecting A-Rod's blind side.

You have to start making plans for Clifton leaving. If Ted thinks Bulaga is that guy, then he needs to think about who will replace him at RT. Lang, Newhouse, and McDonald are all question marks at this point and not even guaranteed to be on the team next year. I really don't see how you think that trio of guys are better than potential first round draft picks. All those guys could easily be the next Barbre or Giacomini.

I want to keep our franchise QB upright. He's already had problems with concussion. I want him to have one of those Peyton Manning type seasons where he only get sacked like 13 times. I think that it would be worth the trade up because you'd be getting a guy who could play LG this year and then slide over to RT or LT when Cliffy calls it quits. Seems like good value to me. We might be able to do something like our 1st and 3rd for a pick in the mid 20s. Some team like Seattle might bite, considering they traded away some of their mid round picks and have a lot of needs.

From what I have heard, this doesn't seem like a very deep draft. I'm not sure that there would be anyone that great left at the bottom of round 3 that would make up for the difference.
warhawk
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14 years ago


Yeah, I agree that there a sharp drop off in talent from those 3 players to the other guys at the position. I would love for GB to make a move to the early 20s. That would almost guarantee that they would get a shot at either Carimi, Costanzo, Solder, or Pouncey. All those guys (except maybe Solder) could start from Day 1 on our oline. Even with Solder, he could ride the pine for a year while he develops, then start next year at LT if Clifton retires.

"millertime" wrote:



I've been thinking about this left tackle thing, and I don't see us going that route of trading up. I think they are counting on TJ Lang to play RT and moving Bulaga to LT; or they are grooming Marshall Newhouse to play LT when Clifton is finally done and leaving Bulaga at RT. Either way, I don't think any of those 1st round projected guys is better than anything we already have, except I like Solder's ceiling of potential.

I'd love to grab one of those stud interior guys though in the second round, which is why I like Warhawk's take on the trade back out of round one. I don't really care for Wells, Colledge, and Clifton left side at all; but as long as Clifton can play well, might as well leave things alone. Most of us think Colledge is gone, but we'll see on that one.

"DakotaT" wrote:



I really don't know how you guys can be so high on Newhouse. He barely made the roster and was a late round pick for a reason. I'm not sure I'd want that guy protecting A-Rod's blind side.

You have to start making plans for Clifton leaving. If Ted thinks Bulaga is that guy, then he needs to think about who will replace him at RT. Lang, Newhouse, and McDonald are all question marks at this point and not even guaranteed to be on the team next year. I really don't see how you think that trio of guys are better than potential first round draft picks. All those guys could easily be the next Barbre or Giacomini.

I want to keep our franchise QB upright. He's already had problems with concussion. I want him to have one of those Peyton Manning type seasons where he only get sacked like 13 times. I think that it would be worth the trade up because you'd be getting a guy who could play LG this year and then slide over to RT or LT when Cliffy calls it quits. Seems like good value to me. We might be able to do something like our 1st and 3rd for a pick in the mid 20s. Some team like Seattle might bite, considering they traded away some of their mid round picks and have a lot of needs.

From what I have heard, this doesn't seem like a very deep draft. I'm not sure that there would be anyone that great left at the bottom of round 3 that would make up for the difference.

"millertime" wrote:



I see what your saying but I also cannot see Ted looking at the situation being in a place that would motivate him to make this move. I also wonder if moving up 10 or so spots in round 1 would only cost giving up the last pick of round 3. I think that we would get the better end of the stick on that deal. Maybe that's a fair price but it seems to me like it's a little weak. Not my area of expertise by any means.

I guess I just don't see Ted sweating about the OT situation to a degree that he makes a move like this. I do think there will be several sitting there in the low 20's of the draft based on where most projections have the OT's coming off the board.

I see this draft unique in that with no FA and teams needing players at certain positions there will be more drafting based on need then BPA this year. Ted can take advantage of this and get high ceiling players that may need that 1st year of work other teams can't afford to go with.

Just my take.
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Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago
It would take two things together to get Ted Thompson to trade up. A player that he thinks is better than other GMs think is sliding down and some one has to come to him looking to trade down.

He is not going to look to trade up. That would leave him in a horribly weak bargaining position.
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millertime
14 years ago

It would take two things together to get Ted Thompson to trade up. A player that he thinks is better than other GMs think is sliding down and some one has to come to him looking to trade down.

He is not going to look to trade up. That would leave him in a horribly weak bargaining position.

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:



He did it with Clay, and it turned out pretty well. I totally agree though with you though, it has to be the RIGHT player. I don't know who that guy may be, but if he does exist, I know Ted will do what it takes to land him, even if it means "overpaying." This draft just reminds me a lot of 2009, where Ted knew he wasn't going to get the value he wanted in the second round, so he bet the house on a kid he loved (Clay). I'm just not sure that there is goning to be someone left at 32 that we love. Like others have mentions, a late round run on QBs will only help us.

We have a history of trading with the Pats, who own the 17 and 28th pick. It would most likely benefit us to get in front of the Steelers and Bears, considering both teams have similar needs as us.

Using the old draft value chart (still used in some form by most teams):
Our 1st + 2nd round pick = pick 19 or 20
Our 1st + 3rd round pick = pick 25 or 26
Our 1st + 4th round pick = pick 29 or 30

I could really see Ted moving up or down. It's nice knowing that whatever he does, it will most likely work out.
millertime
14 years ago
ESPN 

The Packers' top pick is No. 32 overall. Here are the past seven players taken in that spot, with their NFL team in parentheses:

2010: Cornerback Patrick Robinson (New Orleans Saints)

2009: Defensive tackle Ziggy Hood (Pittsburgh Steelers)

2008: Defensive end Phillip Merling (Miami Dolphins)*

2007: Receiver Anthony Gonzalez (Indianapolis Colts)

2006: Defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka (New York Giants)

2005: Offensive guard Logan Mankins (New England Patriots)

2004: Tight end Benjamin Watson (New England Patriots)

*First pick of second round.

ANALYSIS: There are some awfully productive players on this list. Part of the reason is that the previous year's most successful organization was in that spot and thus was more likely to make a good scouting decision. But it also tells us the Packers should have an opportunity to select a player who can make an immediate impact as long as they don't limit themselves to certain positions.

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