macbob
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14 years ago
A little bit optimistic, but still remains to be seen how serious both sides are.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110303/PKR01/110303039/1058/Update-NFL-players-union-extend-CBA-s-expiration-date 

WASHINGTON A member of the players negotiating team says the union and the NFL have agreed to a 24-hour extension in labor talks.

Just hours before the end of the NFLs collective bargaining agreement, due to expire at midnight on Thursday, NFLPA executive committee member Jeff Saturday said the two sides opted to continue discussions aimed at maintaining the labor peace that the NFL has enjoyed since 1987.


The league and players union were meeting for a 10th day with mediator George Cohen.


Without a new CBA, the most popular sports league in America could lock out its players. The union also could decertify and have the players take their labor fight with the league to court.


The NFL has said in recent weeks it would not rule out pushing back the deadline if the parties were making progress in negotiations. Just before the Super Bowl, NFL lead negotiator Jeff Pash said: If youre making progress, you can stop the clock. Its not a Thelma & Louise-type situation, where you just go over the cliff.


Even President Barack Obama weighed in on the NFLs labor situation Thursday, when asked if he would intervene in the dispute.


Im a big football fan, Obama said, but I also think that for an industry thats making $9 billion a year in revenue, they can figure out how to divide it up in a sensible way and be true to their fans, who are the ones who obviously allow for all the money that theyre making. So my expectation and hope is that they will resolve it without me intervening, because it turns out Ive got a lot of other stuff to do.


With the clock ticking down, commissioner Roger Goodell and the NFLs negotiating team arrived at a federal mediators headquarters about 45 minutes ahead of NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith and his group.


Were working hard, Goodell said.


Also on hand for the NFL were Pash, outside counsel Bob Batterman, Green Bay Packers president Mark Murphy, New York Giants owner John Mara, Washington Redskins general manager Bruce Allen and several other league executives. Mara and Murphy are members of the leagues labor committee, which has the authority to call for a lockout if a new agreement isnt reached by midnight.

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Well stay at it as long as it takes, Pash said.

The sides no longer have months or weeks or days to reach a new CBA. If they dont get it done now, the league could see its 2011 season jeopardized, the first time in nearly a quarter-century that games could be lost to a labor dispute.

Since the 1987 players strike that shortened the season to 15 games with three of those games featuring nonunion replacement players there has been labor peace in the NFL. The foundation of the current CBA was reached in 1993 by then-commissioner Paul Tagliabue and union chief Gene Upshaw. It has been extended five times as revenues soared, the league expanded to 32 profitable teams, and new stadiums were built across America to house them.

The contract extension reached in 2006 was the final major act for Tagliabue, who then retired, succeeded by Goodell. An opt-out clause for each side was included in that deal, and the owners exercised it in May 2008 three months before Upshaw died.

Smith replaced Upshaw in March 2009.

Joining Smith at the mediation session Thursday were union president Kevin Mawae, New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees and about a dozen others, including current and former players.

The biggest sticking point all along has been how to divide the leagues revenues, including what cut team owners should get up front to help cover certain costs, such as stadium construction. Under the old deal, owners received about $1 billion off the top. They entered these negotiations seeking to add another $1 billion to that.

Among the other significant topics: a rookie wage scale; the owners push to expand the regular season from 16 games to 18 while reducing the preseason by two games; and benefits for retired players.

Rep. Jon Runyan, R-N.J., a former offensive lineman for the Philadelphia Eagles, said he was optimistic the two sides could reach an agreement without a stop in play.

I dont think either of them benefit from having a true lockout. And quite frankly, that business doesnt hit the ground running until August anyway, so they have a long time to figure it out, Runyan said.

Asked about the midnight deadline, he predicted, Theyll probably push it back.

Well stay at it as long as it takes, Pash said.


The sides no longer have months or weeks or days to reach a new CBA. If they dont get it done now, the league could see its 2011 season jeopardized, the first time in nearly a quarter-century that games could be lost to a labor dispute.


Since the 1987 players strike that shortened the season to 15 games with three of those games featuring nonunion replacement players there has been labor peace in the NFL. The foundation of the current CBA was reached in 1993 by then-commissioner Paul Tagliabue and union chief Gene Upshaw. It has been extended five times as revenues soared, the league expanded to 32 profitable teams, and new stadiums were built across America to house them.


The contract extension reached in 2006 was the final major act for Tagliabue, who then retired, succeeded by Goodell. An opt-out clause for each side was included in that deal, and the owners exercised it in May 2008 three months before Upshaw died.


Smith replaced Upshaw in March 2009.


Joining Smith at the mediation session Thursday were union president Kevin Mawae, New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees and about a dozen others, including current and former players.


The biggest sticking point all along has been how to divide the leagues revenues, including what cut team owners should get up front to help cover certain costs, such as stadium construction. Under the old deal, owners received about $1 billion off the top. They entered these negotiations seeking to add another $1 billion to that.


Among the other significant topics: a rookie wage scale; the owners push to expand the regular season from 16 games to 18 while reducing the preseason by two games; and benefits for retired players.


Rep. Jon Runyan, R-N.J., a former offensive lineman for the Philadelphia Eagles, said he was optimistic the two sides could reach an agreement without a stop in play.


I dont think either of them benefit from having a true lockout. And quite frankly, that business doesnt hit the ground running until August anyway, so they have a long time to figure it out, Runyan said.


Asked about the midnight deadline, he predicted, Theyll probably push it back.

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Since69
14 years ago
Yeah... might be just giving themselves time to figure out how long of a real extension they'll need.

But, it's still a good sign. A month ago they wouldn't have bothered.
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djcubez
14 years ago
I think both groups know that they're still far from coming to an agreement. But I also think both groups know that they're losing face to the fans and that that damage is irreparable. Somehow, if it's at all possible, I feel the CBA situation will be resolved with a temporary or year-long solution so they have time to go over and smooth over the final thing. That's just my gut feeling though.
Pack93z
14 years ago
I think all the talking heads are under-estimating how damaging the ruling by Doty this week was for the owners.. not only did they lose their piggy bank in the lock out.. it tipped the hands of where the courts will side if this goes to court.

Jay Rockefeller weighing in on it only makes it more damning on their account..

The league and union both have much at stake in terms of overall dollars if the government starts looking into all the exemptions given to the league.

Players don't want to de-certify as it will assist the current plight in their cause but would severely alter their long term strength.

This doesn't even cross over into the damage it may do to the overall fan support and earning power of the league overall.

IMO.. there is too much to lose on both sides if they try to drag this thing out.. I think wisely they have realized that in the past couple days collectively.

I could be completely wrong.. but those are my beliefs.
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Greg C.
14 years ago
I hope you're right, Pack. You mentioned a couple days ago that you thought the whole thing might get resolved soon, and at the time I hadn't heard anyone else say that. What happened today suggests that you may be onto something.

I agree that the Doty ruling was more damaging to the owners than has been generally acknowledged. If there's going to be a quick resolution, the balance needed to tip toward the players, at least initially, and that's exactly what has happened.
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14 years ago
As long as they keep talking something good is bound to come out of it.
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flep
14 years ago
I'm convinced there will be an agreement, if only its is an interim one year deal on the premise that talks will continue to get a multi year deal.

This game runs on money and TV revenue plays a massive part.

If they don't make an agreement and we lose the 2011 season the TV companies will have the upper hand when negotiating new contracts and will want more for less dollar.

The owners don't want that at all. They are all busniess men and woman so will make an agreement to save losing face and most importantly dollars.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

I hope you're right, Pack. You mentioned a couple days ago that you thought the whole thing might get resolved soon, and at the time I hadn't heard anyone else say that. What happened today suggests that you may be onto something.

I agree that the Doty ruling was more damaging to the owners than has been generally acknowledged. If there's going to be a quick resolution, the balance needed to tip toward the players, at least initially, and that's exactly what has happened.

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The fact the Owners won't collect on the billions from TV, I think took their security blanket away and put them back at the bargaining table with more willingness to get a deal.

My understanding is, they wanted the TV money and a lockout because they still net the cash, PLUS don't have to pay any salaries which is basically like sitting at home and collecting a paycheck for 4 months and no termination consequences.

And without that, I think it puts them both in the best interest of coming to an agreement sooner rather than later.
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zombieslayer
14 years ago
This may sound strange, but I'd rather see us not have a 2011 season than seeing an 18-game season. You think our '10's injuries were bad - that's going to be NFL average with an 18-game season.
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Pack93z
14 years ago
Deadline move to the 11th.. and that will pretty much seal the deal that they will have it knocked out by then.

My guess.. the players need to examine the financial docs that the owners turned over.. and that will lead to a common ground on the money.

No 18 game season.

A rookie cap.

4th year limit on RFA

Franchise tag will survive but be altered some.. guessing no consecutive years tagging a sole player.

Bumped up benefits for the retired players of some sort.. but probably won't satisfy the likes of Ditka.. etc.
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