Pack93z
13 years ago


Certain people on this board will probably be thinking "I'm not going to comment here because Zombieslayer might see this thread."

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Possibly, because even when provided with visual evidence some won't acknowledge it. Seen it personally in a thread, but then was accused that I couldn't admit I was wrong and told I only see what I want to see. ;)

But that is for another day.. but ear marked.

This much I will say.. it will be a mistake to think that we will be able to only spread them out all day long, because sooner or later LeBeau will make some adjustments and start taking things away.. and applying heat.

If you want Rodgers to make it through this game, we better attempt to run the ball enough to pause that pass rush, we better vary up the formations enough to keep their personnel off balance, and we better make it more difficult on Harrison and Woodley than to allow that to release free in pass rush. Otherwise.. Rodgers might get the ball away.. but he might be picking up teeth after the game.. if he makes it to the end that is.

Watching film on the Steelers will show you that even the slightest threat of the run will suck Farrior and Timmons in and expose the middle of the field. I highly suspect that the Packers are going to focus on Timmons especially because watching him play he is the weakest of the backers in coverage, but playing in the middle he is dropping often. Even the threat of the run is going to help open that shallow middle up and give Rodgers a place to go on a hot read with Timmons biting up and then slow to recover.. Farrior seems a little quicker to identify and drop.

That said, I do think the Steelers weakness is their corner play.. and in this game the situation should dictate to attack that weakness. And there will be plenty of opportunity to expose them.

But the game of football and the game inside that game is much deeper than pass, pass again and pass some more. It is what you are dictating to the defense that opens things up for your bread and butter, which this season is our passing game.

I expect us to struggle to run the ball for a high YPC.. but I expect us to put in the attempts similar to post the Lions game. IMO.. it was that game where Mike McCarthy realized that he has to mix up play calling enough and varying the looks in which he ran the ball enough to truly open the passing offense up.
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warhawk
13 years ago
I suspect you will see the Packers in formations with three receivers on one side and one going in motion. This will cause the Steelers into fairly straight up coverages. From there Rodgers can see where the defenders are he does not want to throw towards and get the ball out quickly to a receiver guarded by one of the weaker DB's.

McCarthy will no doubt keep running it even though it might not do much but I think we will see more pass plays that are essentially like a run. I am quite certain Rodgers will put it up at least 40 times but very few deep shots downfield.

This has been the proven recipe used by teams successful against the Steelers over the last couple of years and fits right into what the Packers do best.
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13 years ago
It is not all bad when you have a QB and receiving corps like GB does that is for sure.
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yooperfan
13 years ago
I'm hoping the Packers have 25-30 rushing attempts.
I just don't see this being a high scoring game.
Run the damn ball and set up the pass plays to win the game.
zombieslayer
13 years ago



Possibly, because even when provided with visual evidence some won't acknowledge it. Seen it personally in a thread, but then was accused that I couldn't admit I was wrong and told I only see what I want to see. ;)

But that is for another day.. but ear marked.

This much I will say.. it will be a mistake to think that we will be able to only spread them out all day long, because sooner or later LeBeau will make some adjustments and start taking things away.. and applying heat.

If you want Rodgers to make it through this game, we better attempt to run the ball enough to pause that pass rush, we better vary up the formations enough to keep their personnel off balance, and we better make it more difficult on Harrison and Woodley than to allow that to release free in pass rush. Otherwise.. Rodgers might get the ball away.. but he might be picking up teeth after the game.. if he makes it to the end that is.

Watching film on the Steelers will show you that even the slightest threat of the run will suck Farrior and Timmons in and expose the middle of the field. I highly suspect that the Packers are going to focus on Timmons especially because watching him play he is the weakest of the backers in coverage, but playing in the middle he is dropping often. Even the threat of the run is going to help open that shallow middle up and give Rodgers a place to go on a hot read with Timmons biting up and then slow to recover.. Farrior seems a little quicker to identify and drop.

That said, I do think the Steelers weakness is their corner play.. and in this game the situation should dictate to attack that weakness. And there will be plenty of opportunity to expose them.

But the game of football and the game inside that game is much deeper than pass, pass again and pass some more. It is what you are dictating to the defense that opens things up for your bread and butter, which this season is our passing game.

I expect us to struggle to run the ball for a high YPC.. but I expect us to put in the attempts similar to post the Lions game. IMO.. it was that game where Mike McCarthy realized that he has to mix up play calling enough and varying the looks in which he ran the ball enough to truly open the passing offense up.

"Pack93z" wrote:



The way to beat the Steelers is through the air. Look at their losses. Flacco was more successful than their running game and put up the ball 37 times. The Saints put it up 44 times vs 21 runs (which went absolutely nowhere - hard to run against the Steelers D). The Patriots passed 43 times and Brady lit them up. The one TD rushing the Pats had was Tom Brady sneaking in (which surprised me as Brady doesn't want to mess up his hair).

The stats speak for themselves.

Rosenthal is right. Coincidently, he agrees with me. :pottytrain2:
(I just hope Mike McCarthy does too).

And no, folks, Aaron's not going to die.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/2010.htm  Click on the losses. They have one thing in common - heavy passing vs lite running.
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Pack93z
13 years ago
Zombie.. I agree that we will make our hay passing the ball, lost in all this discussion is that we agree on that principle. If you would read past your bias against the run, you would see we agree on how to rack up points and move the ball..

The disconnect comes in what effect in totality that run attempts have on protections, manipulating the defense and opening more up in the passing game.

You keep coming back and pointing to the stats.. stats alone don't tell the story of how those stats were compiled.

And those gray background stories is where someone like I are pointing.. how to help the passing game.

Simple as this, the league has the rules stacked to make the offenses more dynamic via the air.. it makes little sense not to expose that and I personally have not said once that we shouldn't be a passing based team. It is how we are built.. that said, if you look at the plays themselves ( the part I love more than the statistics they drive) it is evident and clear to me how much impact running attempts have on offenses in a whole.

More so than not, you aren't going to roll up huge numbers if you are run based.. but the importance of its effects are not lost on the passing game.

Long story short. in a nutshell.. summarizing.. what ever the hell you want to call it.. dropping back and passing the ball every snap makes it too easy on a defense that has horses in the box to apply pressure. We as a team should gut every team with the pass.. but we can't forget to call run plays to assist that passing game drive the knife a little deeper.
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Pack93z
13 years ago
For the record.. Romo is on the Cowherd show right now talking about the effects that running the ball has on a defense and how it assists the passing game. The effects it has has on forcing a defense (dictating to) adjust, the effects it has on the pass rush and how it moves the safety and opens holes in the coverage.

It was brief.. but much what I have been trying to convey to some of our statistical friends. ;)


Did a nice job explaining it..
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zombieslayer
13 years ago
I'm not against the run. I'm pro-pass. HUGE difference.

I'd LOVE to see Starks run for 200+ yards. But against the Steelers' D, it will be tough. They're sick against the run.

I just want to win. Our best chance of winning is throwing the ball a lot, because if the Steelers have a weakness, it's against the pass. Their four losses showed that. I provided the link if you want to check the stats.

Yes, Starks will get some carries. Guaranteed. I hope he lights them up. But I'm realistic about it. It's the Steelers D. Look at how they played the run vs the pass all year long.
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Pack93z
13 years ago



Yes, Starks will get some carries. Guaranteed. I hope he lights them up. But I'm realistic about it. It's the Steelers D. Look at how they played the run vs the pass all year long.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



I agree.. we are not going to "light" them up. (From the post you quoted)

I expect us to struggle to run the ball for a high YPC.. but I expect us to put in the attempts similar to post the Lions game. IMO.. it was that game where Mike McCarthy realized that he has to mix up play calling enough and varying the looks in which he ran the ball enough to truly open the passing offense up.

"Pack93z" wrote:



On the statistics.. I was there Sunday night after the Packers beat the Bears and the Steelers prevailed.

I have compiled stats, game tape and a jealous wife because of the amount of time spent on the research. I don't just throw things out there.. there is a boat load of time spent more so watching games than in the stats.. but I don't ignore the stats.

http://www.packershome.com/ForumsPro/viewtopic/t=11789.html 

1. Their corners. I don't care how much they write about the Steelers defense.. but you can attack this defense on the edges. This is not a very good group and rely on the front of the defense to minimize their exposure.

I expect a couple early double moves to force LeBeau to adjust his scheme for the day.. bring some of the heat off the pressure packages and making him drop additional guys into coverage to allow the Steelers safeties to play over the top and protect the corners.

"Pack93z" wrote:



All I want is a win.. and I thought after the Lions game that Mike McCarthy would adjust.. he has and we are playing our best ball of the season.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
warhawk
13 years ago
The Spread. THe Steelers don't like it and can't guard it. They have two good DB's and the rest are weak.

Facing a good spread team is the nighmare the Steelers did not want to see. I posted in another thread that NE and New Orleans combined for 34 first downs, over 630 passing yds, and 5 td's.

No wonder the Steelers are talking about getting after Rodgers. He is going to blister them Sunday.
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