Porforis
13 years ago

:facepalm:

every NFL RB should be expected to know how to follow blockers.....

that play proved nothing that can't be easily replaced.

"RajiRoar" wrote:



It DID prove that BJack doesn't piss away yards EVERY time he hesitates instead of hitting a hole. πŸ™‚
RajiRoar
13 years ago

It DID prove that BJack doesn't piss away yards EVERY time he hesitates instead of hitting a hole. :)

"Porforis" wrote:



sign of competence?

a second round pick... and we get excited for him just for following blockers :facepalm:

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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago
Jackson is one of the better 3rd down backs in the league. He may be the best blocker and he runs draws and screens very well.

It isn't easy to be patient and wait for your blockers. Lots of NFL backs don't do that.

It is the NFL. They won't get rid of him because he isn't popular. The round he was picked in is absolutely irrelevant. The question is can he do his job and can we find better. He can do his job and it would be difficult to find better.
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brnt247
13 years ago
Agreed, neither Grant nor Starks are the type of third down backs like Jackson is and has been.
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mi_keys
13 years ago

I've said before that if we're going to keep him, I want him used primarily in passing situations. He does seem to be rather useful in the screens and swings, and as has been pointed out many times, he's good at picking up blitzes. But as a runner . . . as infrequently as possible, please.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



and then when defenses see him on the field, they can pin their ears back because it's going to be a pass.


Sorry, Brandon Jackson needs to be replaced. You can't keep one dimensional players like that on offense.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Except for as we've seen in the play we're talking about here he is effective as a screen receiver and if the defense pin their ears back and sell out to try to get to Rodgers they are at risk of giving up a big play to the screen.

Same thing can be said about the draw play which Jackson has probably had his best success running. In particular, he did a great job on draw plays against the Vikings at home.

Just because he is a predominantly receiving back doesn't mean we necessarily have a one dimensional offense with him in. I'm with a lot of people in this thread, he's valuable to this team until you can find someone that has his blitz pickup and screen ability and the ability to run like a featured back. Right now none of our other backs can do what he does as a pass blocking back.
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peteralan71
13 years ago
I agree, Jones was holding on that play. Got by with it.
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ILikeThePackers39
13 years ago



I'm likely being overly complimentary, but I was impressed by how he (and Colledge/Sitton) made something out of what appeared to be nothing.

"musccy" wrote:




Nah, you're not going overboard - he did a great job on that play.
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Since69
13 years ago
We should trade Grant now. Starks is obviously our back of the future. Grant is getting older and he's injury prone. Pawn him off on someone else while he still has some value.

(Dammit, Z. You need to hurry up with that 'sarcasm' smiley...)
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Greg C.
13 years ago

It DID prove that BJack doesn't piss away yards EVERY time he hesitates instead of hitting a hole. :)

"RajiRoar" wrote:



sign of competence?

a second round pick... and we get excited for him just for following blockers :facepalm:

"Porforis" wrote:



I wouldn't say anyone is getting excited about it, but it's not something we take for granted either. It takes discipline and some guys just seem to have a knack for it. Jackson does pretty well running in space even though he is not a speedster. The Patriots always seem to have a player like this. There have been several over the years. I can't remember their names. Role players can be valuable. You're never going to have a team of star players.
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dfosterf
13 years ago
I agree that he does well in space. The problem is that we don't have the space often enough. His running style is not a good match for our offensive line and their set of "issues".

Starks did well against a smallish D, as did Jackson on that play. We are headed to Atlanta now, and that is an entirely different kind of front to face.

Some might say better, some might say worse, as regards a running game, but against US, I would say DECIDEDLY "better".

We had some success the first time we played Philly as well--mix-wise.

I think we ALL have advocated more screens throughout the year, and if Jackson gets them, that's fine, imo

Right now, though... I'd advocate giving them to Starks to see what he can do with them...

Why?

We did NOTHING from the backfield the first go around against Atlanta until the 4th quarter, on a 3rd and 1 with 11:23 left on our 38 to be specific...

It's been argued (elsewhere) that it is because Jackson was getting nailed in the backfield---

(Please don't try and say our line has improved since then, at least until we see it has improved against ATLANTA.)

My response is this. What has changed to prevent that this week from our offensive line? I would submit that we have to TRY something different, and that would be Starks, and in a perfect world (for me)-- it just MIGHT mean trying some screens to start out instead of run plays...

Why do we go to the left?

...And now we are completely hosed, because it WORKED this past week, lol

Nice smart running by Brandon on that play, but his body of work has been poor for most of this year, and it has been expensive to our passing game, as well as our running game. To say otherwise is mostly defensive fandom and homerism, imo

I see nothing special out of him that cannot be relatively easily replaced in the future. People hate that I call him a bust, I do that because I (PERSONALLY) expect more from a 2nd round pick than what I see. I would call him at minimum a disappointment.

He can't run consistently behind THIS line against many teams. We have looked at it everywhichaway--I don't like so many aspects of this line, so "blame" isn't on him, per se--

One of the "axioms" is that you need either a premier line or a premier back to run effectively, and we have neither when Jackson is out there...that is my strong opinion---Then the question becomes "How good does our RB have to be to overcome the o-line deficiencies? (again, imo)

I say he has to be damn good at what we need him to do---

Hit that GD ZBS seam. Grant could do it often enough (barely) We will see with Starks...

It would be nice to have a back that can catch, block, and move the chains...one back...not sending in a 3rd down back in for increased predictability, imo not with this line...

Jackson cannot--Not often enough. If we EVER (imo--again) fix this o-line, scheme, coaching, whatever you want to call it- that might change. The pieces might already be on this team, but I'm pretty friggin' sure it doesn't mean Cliffy at LT with Colledge at LG for a balanced attack.

Everybody wants to keep Jackson, that's fine-- I could care less if he walks this year. He had his chance to really step up for the Pack and failed, and THAT is taking in his "entire body of work".


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