Porforis
14 years ago

:facepalm:

every NFL RB should be expected to know how to follow blockers.....

that play proved nothing that can't be easily replaced.

"RajiRoar" wrote:



It DID prove that BJack doesn't piss away yards EVERY time he hesitates instead of hitting a hole. šŸ™‚
RajiRoar
14 years ago

It DID prove that BJack doesn't piss away yards EVERY time he hesitates instead of hitting a hole. :)

"Porforis" wrote:



sign of competence?

a second round pick... and we get excited for him just for following blockers :facepalm:

MintBaconDrivel
Dec, 11, 2012 - FOREVER!
Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago
Jackson is one of the better 3rd down backs in the league. He may be the best blocker and he runs draws and screens very well.

It isn't easy to be patient and wait for your blockers. Lots of NFL backs don't do that.

It is the NFL. They won't get rid of him because he isn't popular. The round he was picked in is absolutely irrelevant. The question is can he do his job and can we find better. He can do his job and it would be difficult to find better.
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
brnt247
14 years ago
Agreed, neither Grant nor Starks are the type of third down backs like Jackson is and has been.
blank
mi_keys
14 years ago

I've said before that if we're going to keep him, I want him used primarily in passing situations. He does seem to be rather useful in the screens and swings, and as has been pointed out many times, he's good at picking up blitzes. But as a runner . . . as infrequently as possible, please.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



and then when defenses see him on the field, they can pin their ears back because it's going to be a pass.


Sorry, Brandon Jackson needs to be replaced. You can't keep one dimensional players like that on offense.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Except for as we've seen in the play we're talking about here he is effective as a screen receiver and if the defense pin their ears back and sell out to try to get to Rodgers they are at risk of giving up a big play to the screen.

Same thing can be said about the draw play which Jackson has probably had his best success running. In particular, he did a great job on draw plays against the Vikings at home.

Just because he is a predominantly receiving back doesn't mean we necessarily have a one dimensional offense with him in. I'm with a lot of people in this thread, he's valuable to this team until you can find someone that has his blitz pickup and screen ability and the ability to run like a featured back. Right now none of our other backs can do what he does as a pass blocking back.
Born and bred a cheesehead
peteralan71
14 years ago
I agree, Jones was holding on that play. Got by with it.
Green Bay: Home of the Green & Gold. And the hunter orange. And the camouflage.
UserPostedImage
ILikeThePackers39
14 years ago



I'm likely being overly complimentary, but I was impressed by how he (and Colledge/Sitton) made something out of what appeared to be nothing.

"musccy" wrote:




Nah, you're not going overboard - he did a great job on that play.
blank
Since69
14 years ago
We should trade Grant now. Starks is obviously our back of the future. Grant is getting older and he's injury prone. Pawn him off on someone else while he still has some value.

(Dammit, Z. You need to hurry up with that 'sarcasm' smiley...)
UserPostedImage
Greg C.
14 years ago

It DID prove that BJack doesn't piss away yards EVERY time he hesitates instead of hitting a hole. :)

"RajiRoar" wrote:



sign of competence?

a second round pick... and we get excited for him just for following blockers :facepalm:

"Porforis" wrote:



I wouldn't say anyone is getting excited about it, but it's not something we take for granted either. It takes discipline and some guys just seem to have a knack for it. Jackson does pretty well running in space even though he is not a speedster. The Patriots always seem to have a player like this. There have been several over the years. I can't remember their names. Role players can be valuable. You're never going to have a team of star players.
blank
dfosterf
14 years ago
I agree that he does well in space. The problem is that we don't have the space often enough. His running style is not a good match for our offensive line and their set of "issues".

Starks did well against a smallish D, as did Jackson on that play. We are headed to Atlanta now, and that is an entirely different kind of front to face.

Some might say better, some might say worse, as regards a running game, but against US, I would say DECIDEDLY "better".

We had some success the first time we played Philly as well--mix-wise.

I think we ALL have advocated more screens throughout the year, and if Jackson gets them, that's fine, imo

Right now, though... I'd advocate giving them to Starks to see what he can do with them...

Why?

We did NOTHING from the backfield the first go around against Atlanta until the 4th quarter, on a 3rd and 1 with 11:23 left on our 38 to be specific...

It's been argued (elsewhere) that it is because Jackson was getting nailed in the backfield---

(Please don't try and say our line has improved since then, at least until we see it has improved against ATLANTA.)

My response is this. What has changed to prevent that this week from our offensive line? I would submit that we have to TRY something different, and that would be Starks, and in a perfect world (for me)-- it just MIGHT mean trying some screens to start out instead of run plays...

Why do we go to the left?

...And now we are completely hosed, because it WORKED this past week, lol

Nice smart running by Brandon on that play, but his body of work has been poor for most of this year, and it has been expensive to our passing game, as well as our running game. To say otherwise is mostly defensive fandom and homerism, imo

I see nothing special out of him that cannot be relatively easily replaced in the future. People hate that I call him a bust, I do that because I (PERSONALLY) expect more from a 2nd round pick than what I see. I would call him at minimum a disappointment.

He can't run consistently behind THIS line against many teams. We have looked at it everywhichaway--I don't like so many aspects of this line, so "blame" isn't on him, per se--

One of the "axioms" is that you need either a premier line or a premier back to run effectively, and we have neither when Jackson is out there...that is my strong opinion---Then the question becomes "How good does our RB have to be to overcome the o-line deficiencies? (again, imo)

I say he has to be damn good at what we need him to do---

Hit that GD ZBS seam. Grant could do it often enough (barely) We will see with Starks...

It would be nice to have a back that can catch, block, and move the chains...one back...not sending in a 3rd down back in for increased predictability, imo not with this line...

Jackson cannot--Not often enough. If we EVER (imo--again) fix this o-line, scheme, coaching, whatever you want to call it- that might change. The pieces might already be on this team, but I'm pretty friggin' sure it doesn't mean Cliffy at LT with Colledge at LG for a balanced attack.

Everybody wants to keep Jackson, that's fine-- I could care less if he walks this year. He had his chance to really step up for the Pack and failed, and THAT is taking in his "entire body of work".


imo
Fan Shout
beast (5h) : Wow, 95% drop in investment revenue? Would be interesting to hear the details of why...
dfosterf (25-Jul) : It's my one day deal complaint dept. on shareholder meeting day
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Probably a homer access credential intimidation kinda thing
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Meathead "journalists" skip this, concentrating on operational revenue when convenient. They switch when net revenue is more favorable.
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Resulting in an actual drop of net revenue of 12.5%. She is from Minnesota. Just sayin'
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Any plans to hold Maureen Smith (CFO) accountable for a 95% drop in investment revenue?
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : In your face, HBO!
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : @ByRyanWood Mark Murphy: ā€œA great source of pride of mine is that we were never on Hard Knocks.ā€
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : *years
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : @mattschneidman Mark Murphy says he anticipates ā€œmany Packers gamesā€ being played in Germany, Ireland and/or the U.K. over the next 5-10 yea
dfosterf (25-Jul) : *cafeteria* I have hit my head also, so I sympathize
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Possibly hit his head leaning into the glass protecting the food in the cafateria
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Maybe a low flying drone
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Did Savion Williams run into a goalpost or something?
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : also, no bueno when a guy starts getting concussions right off the bat in his career
Zero2Cool (25-Jul) : Concussion is worse. Banks probably vet off day via back booboo claim
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : @AndyHermanNFL Jordy Nelson out at camp today. No word if he’s in play for one of the two open roster spots ; )
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Is that better or worse than Banks bad back?
Zero2Cool (25-Jul) : Savion concussion ... not good.
packerfanoutwest (24-Jul) : Aaron Rodgers’s first pass of first team period was picked off
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : tbh I didn't hear of his passing
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Cosby Show. Malcom Jamal Warner I think is real name
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : I was thinking of Ozzy and Hulk
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : Who's Theo?
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : How is Theo alliteration?
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : Bad week for people whose names are alliterations
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Hulk Hogan gone too.
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Oh, it's toe injury
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Hope it's not serious. that would stink
dfosterf (24-Jul) : Sounds like an ankle not a knee for Fields
dfosterf (24-Jul) : Ya Flaccp on Browns
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Maybe Tyrod Taylor instead
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : He's on Browns, right?
dfosterf (24-Jul) : They would probably go with Flacco is my guess if Fields out
dfosterf (24-Jul) : Fleece 'em again!
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Malik Willis might be someone Jets come after
packerfanoutwest (24-Jul) : Packers introduce 1923-inspired classic uniform, leather-look helmet
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Both LB Quay Walker and Rookie DB Micah Robinson have passed their physicals
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Happy to see site feels more snappy snappy
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : No sir. I did not.
dfosterf (23-Jul) : You didn't get free childcare when you were at work?
wpr (23-Jul) : These guys make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Pay for their own childcare.
dfosterf (23-Jul) : 2nd issue. Number 1 issue was no gameday childcare. 1 of 3 teams not providing it
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Suppose if locker room is main issue, we sitting pretty
wpr (23-Jul) : I thought so Mucky. In those useless player polls GB always rates high overall. Locker is a part of it.
Mucky Tundra (23-Jul) : Wasn't the locker room just updated like 6 or 7 years ago?
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : I have forum updated on different site. We'll see how this one goes before going to that
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Elgton Jenkins has a back injury, is expect to end contract dispute
wpr (23-Jul) : It's funny the PA complained about the locker room. It wasn't that long ago it was top shelf. Things change in a hurry.
wpr (23-Jul) : The site is much more better.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

25-Jul / Around The NFL / Mucky Tundra

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / TheKanataThrilla

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

25-Jul / Around The NFL / beast

24-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

24-Jul / Around The NFL / beast

24-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

23-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

23-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

22-Jul / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

22-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

22-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

Headlines
Copyright Ā© 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.comā„¢. All Rights Reserved.