Rockmolder
13 years ago

Of course, but would you really try to tell me that players like O.J. Simpson, Eric Dickerson, Walter Payton and Earl Campbell weren't elite players?

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



If you're implying that I'm narrow minded and think that the only determination of a good, great, elite, etc running back is predicated on yards per carry, please, rip your nuts off and eat them with oatmeal. I want to see proof on UserPostedImage

"Rockmolder" wrote:



That was exactly what I was saying. I'd rip my balls off right now, if I had any.

Anyway, this is some sexy running.

[youtube]j1p5mgaT6mY[/youtube]
Zero2Cool
13 years ago
I think the yards per carry is just one aspect of what makes an elite running back. I know Emmit Smith is the all time rushing leader, but I don't consider him elite. I'd say more great than anything. That's no slam on Emmit, but gosh, he benefited a lot from having a solid team around him and a defense that gave the ball back to the offense. And we won't even talk about that dominate OL.
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Rockmolder
13 years ago

I think the yards per carry is just one aspect of what makes an elite running back. I know Emmit Smith is the all time rushing leader, but I don't consider him elite. I'd say more great than anything. That's no slam on Emmit, but gosh, he benefited a lot from having a solid team around him and a defense that gave the ball back to the offense. And we won't even talk about that dominate OL.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I'm with you on that one. I never thought of him as much as an amazing player, than as a durable one.

Don't get me wrong, he could run the ball and, in his best season, he was awfully good, but I just wouldn't put him up there with the likes of O.J. and Barry.
longtimefan
13 years ago

I hope Dexter's lengthy post wasn't directed at me. I'm no Lynch-supporter, I merely stated that you can't take out long runs from anyone's YPC, then compare them to someone else while counting their long runs.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



I agree, but my point was this..

There was a statement that Lynch ran hard ALL day to set up that run

3.5 was his avg B4 the run, so how is that ran hard all day

"longtimefan" wrote:



3.5 is a good average for a running back if you take away his longest run.

Both Ravens running backs had good games, but take away their longest runs and they average under 3 yards a carry both.

I'm not saying he had an excellent game, not nearly as good as Starks had. But 3,5 yards without your longest run is a solid game.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



Jackson got 3.7 this year
Packers_Finland
13 years ago

I hope Dexter's lengthy post wasn't directed at me. I'm no Lynch-supporter, I merely stated that you can't take out long runs from anyone's YPC, then compare them to someone else while counting their long runs.

"longtimefan" wrote:



I agree, but my point was this..

There was a statement that Lynch ran hard ALL day to set up that run

3.5 was his avg B4 the run, so how is that ran hard all day

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



3.5 is a good average for a running back if you take away his longest run.

Both Ravens running backs had good games, but take away their longest runs and they average under 3 yards a carry both.

I'm not saying he had an excellent game, not nearly as good as Starks had. But 3,5 yards without your longest run is a solid game.

"longtimefan" wrote:



Jackson got 3.7 this year

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



Take away his longest run from each game then. Then see what his average is.

I'm not saying Lynch is a great back, and without that long run in the Saints game he would've had just an 'ok' game. But don't think that the great backs have the type of averages they do either if you take away their longest runs.
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Greg C.
13 years ago

I hope Dexter's lengthy post wasn't directed at me. I'm no Lynch-supporter, I merely stated that you can't take out long runs from anyone's YPC, then compare them to someone else while counting their long runs.

"longtimefan" wrote:



I agree, but my point was this..

There was a statement that Lynch ran hard ALL day to set up that run

3.5 was his avg B4 the run, so how is that ran hard all day

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



Did you watch the game?
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longtimefan
13 years ago

I hope Dexter's lengthy post wasn't directed at me. I'm no Lynch-supporter, I merely stated that you can't take out long runs from anyone's YPC, then compare them to someone else while counting their long runs.

"Greg C." wrote:



I agree, but my point was this..

There was a statement that Lynch ran hard ALL day to set up that run

3.5 was his avg B4 the run, so how is that ran hard all day

"longtimefan" wrote:



Did you watch the game?

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



Yup....He was being hit hard and he was hitting hard...FOR ME he did a lot of what RB do
Cheesey
13 years ago

Of course, but would you really try to tell me that players like O.J. Simpson, Eric Dickerson, Walter Payton and Earl Campbell weren't elite players?

"Rockmolder" wrote:



If you're implying that I'm narrow minded and think that the only determination of a good, great, elite, etc running back is predicated on yards per carry, please, rip your nuts off and eat them with oatmeal. I want to see proof on UserPostedImage

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



That was exactly what I was saying. I'd rip my balls off right now, if I had any.

Anyway, this is some sexy running.

[youtube]j1p5mgaT6mY[/youtube]

"Rockmolder" wrote:


Yes.....O.J. sure knew how to "knife" through defenses, and to "cut" back against the grain.
I didn't notice in the video......did he ever wear gloves when he played???
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Question: are videos from that area ramped down slightly for effect? The players look like they're practically jogging.
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Greg C.
13 years ago

I hope Dexter's lengthy post wasn't directed at me. I'm no Lynch-supporter, I merely stated that you can't take out long runs from anyone's YPC, then compare them to someone else while counting their long runs.

"longtimefan" wrote:



I agree, but my point was this..

There was a statement that Lynch ran hard ALL day to set up that run

3.5 was his avg B4 the run, so how is that ran hard all day

"Greg C." wrote:



Did you watch the game?

"longtimefan" wrote:



Yup....He was being hit hard and he was hitting hard...FOR ME he did a lot of what RB do

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



I thought he ran tough, broke some tackles, fell forward, and was an important part of the offense that torched the Saints, even before the big run.

It sounds like you have two problems with this thread: 1. Lynch didn't have that good of a game anyway; and 2. Even if he did, it doesn't cancel out his mediocre season.

To the first point, all I can say is that if you think 19 carries for 131 yards and a TD, including a fantastic game-clinching 67 yard TD run, is not a very good game, then we will just have to agree to disagree. It wasn't just one great play, but even if it was, it would have been enough. One great play can sometimes define a whole game for a player and his team.

As for the second point, I mostly agree, although I will say that when a player delivers a performance like Lynch did in the playoffs, especially in a game in which his team was a heavy underdog, it makes up for a lot.

This thread was just intended as sort of an olive branch for those who, unlike me, thought Ted should've paid what he needed to pay to get Lynch. Personally, I'm fine with what Ted did, and I think he is one of the ten best GMs in the league, and maybe one of the top five. In fact, I have so much confidence in Ted that I don't mind if somebody praises a good performance by a player he could've acquired.
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packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : Inactives tonight for the Pack: Alexander- knee Bullard - ankle Williams - quad Walker -ankle Monk Heath
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : No Jaire, but hopefully the front 7 destroys the line of scrimmage & forces Rattler into a few passes to McKinney.
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : We'd have same Division and Conference records. Strength of schedule we edge them
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I just checked. What tie breaker?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network
beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th
beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno
beast (23-Dec) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : bs on flexing the game....they do it for the $$league$$, not the hometown fans
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I see what you did there Mucky
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Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I wanna kill new QB's ... blitz the crap out of them.
beast (23-Dec) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : ok I stand corrected
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : 5th - Packers win out, Vikings lose out. Maybe?
beast (23-Dec) : Saying no to the 6th lock.
beast (23-Dec) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.
beast (23-Dec) : But it doesn't matter, as the Packers win surely win one of their remaining games
beast (23-Dec) : This is not complex, just someone doesn't want to believe reality
beast (23-Dec) : We already have told you... if Packers lose all their games (they won't, but if they did), and Buccaneers and Falcons win all theirs
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I posted it in that Packers and 1 seed thread
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I literally just said it.
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