Rockmolder
14 years ago

Of course, but would you really try to tell me that players like O.J. Simpson, Eric Dickerson, Walter Payton and Earl Campbell weren't elite players?

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



If you're implying that I'm narrow minded and think that the only determination of a good, great, elite, etc running back is predicated on yards per carry, please, rip your nuts off and eat them with oatmeal. I want to see proof on UserPostedImage

"Rockmolder" wrote:



That was exactly what I was saying. I'd rip my balls off right now, if I had any.

Anyway, this is some sexy running.

[youtube]j1p5mgaT6mY[/youtube]
Zero2Cool
14 years ago
I think the yards per carry is just one aspect of what makes an elite running back. I know Emmit Smith is the all time rushing leader, but I don't consider him elite. I'd say more great than anything. That's no slam on Emmit, but gosh, he benefited a lot from having a solid team around him and a defense that gave the ball back to the offense. And we won't even talk about that dominate OL.
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Rockmolder
14 years ago

I think the yards per carry is just one aspect of what makes an elite running back. I know Emmit Smith is the all time rushing leader, but I don't consider him elite. I'd say more great than anything. That's no slam on Emmit, but gosh, he benefited a lot from having a solid team around him and a defense that gave the ball back to the offense. And we won't even talk about that dominate OL.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I'm with you on that one. I never thought of him as much as an amazing player, than as a durable one.

Don't get me wrong, he could run the ball and, in his best season, he was awfully good, but I just wouldn't put him up there with the likes of O.J. and Barry.
longtimefan
14 years ago

I hope Dexter's lengthy post wasn't directed at me. I'm no Lynch-supporter, I merely stated that you can't take out long runs from anyone's YPC, then compare them to someone else while counting their long runs.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



I agree, but my point was this..

There was a statement that Lynch ran hard ALL day to set up that run

3.5 was his avg B4 the run, so how is that ran hard all day

"longtimefan" wrote:



3.5 is a good average for a running back if you take away his longest run.

Both Ravens running backs had good games, but take away their longest runs and they average under 3 yards a carry both.

I'm not saying he had an excellent game, not nearly as good as Starks had. But 3,5 yards without your longest run is a solid game.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



Jackson got 3.7 this year
Packers_Finland
14 years ago

I hope Dexter's lengthy post wasn't directed at me. I'm no Lynch-supporter, I merely stated that you can't take out long runs from anyone's YPC, then compare them to someone else while counting their long runs.

"longtimefan" wrote:



I agree, but my point was this..

There was a statement that Lynch ran hard ALL day to set up that run

3.5 was his avg B4 the run, so how is that ran hard all day

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



3.5 is a good average for a running back if you take away his longest run.

Both Ravens running backs had good games, but take away their longest runs and they average under 3 yards a carry both.

I'm not saying he had an excellent game, not nearly as good as Starks had. But 3,5 yards without your longest run is a solid game.

"longtimefan" wrote:



Jackson got 3.7 this year

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



Take away his longest run from each game then. Then see what his average is.

I'm not saying Lynch is a great back, and without that long run in the Saints game he would've had just an 'ok' game. But don't think that the great backs have the type of averages they do either if you take away their longest runs.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

I hope Dexter's lengthy post wasn't directed at me. I'm no Lynch-supporter, I merely stated that you can't take out long runs from anyone's YPC, then compare them to someone else while counting their long runs.

"longtimefan" wrote:



I agree, but my point was this..

There was a statement that Lynch ran hard ALL day to set up that run

3.5 was his avg B4 the run, so how is that ran hard all day

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



Did you watch the game?
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longtimefan
14 years ago

I hope Dexter's lengthy post wasn't directed at me. I'm no Lynch-supporter, I merely stated that you can't take out long runs from anyone's YPC, then compare them to someone else while counting their long runs.

"Greg C." wrote:



I agree, but my point was this..

There was a statement that Lynch ran hard ALL day to set up that run

3.5 was his avg B4 the run, so how is that ran hard all day

"longtimefan" wrote:



Did you watch the game?

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



Yup....He was being hit hard and he was hitting hard...FOR ME he did a lot of what RB do
Cheesey
14 years ago

Of course, but would you really try to tell me that players like O.J. Simpson, Eric Dickerson, Walter Payton and Earl Campbell weren't elite players?

"Rockmolder" wrote:



If you're implying that I'm narrow minded and think that the only determination of a good, great, elite, etc running back is predicated on yards per carry, please, rip your nuts off and eat them with oatmeal. I want to see proof on UserPostedImage

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



That was exactly what I was saying. I'd rip my balls off right now, if I had any.

Anyway, this is some sexy running.

[youtube]j1p5mgaT6mY[/youtube]

"Rockmolder" wrote:


Yes.....O.J. sure knew how to "knife" through defenses, and to "cut" back against the grain.
I didn't notice in the video......did he ever wear gloves when he played???
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Question: are videos from that area ramped down slightly for effect? The players look like they're practically jogging.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

I hope Dexter's lengthy post wasn't directed at me. I'm no Lynch-supporter, I merely stated that you can't take out long runs from anyone's YPC, then compare them to someone else while counting their long runs.

"longtimefan" wrote:



I agree, but my point was this..

There was a statement that Lynch ran hard ALL day to set up that run

3.5 was his avg B4 the run, so how is that ran hard all day

"Greg C." wrote:



Did you watch the game?

"longtimefan" wrote:



Yup....He was being hit hard and he was hitting hard...FOR ME he did a lot of what RB do

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



I thought he ran tough, broke some tackles, fell forward, and was an important part of the offense that torched the Saints, even before the big run.

It sounds like you have two problems with this thread: 1. Lynch didn't have that good of a game anyway; and 2. Even if he did, it doesn't cancel out his mediocre season.

To the first point, all I can say is that if you think 19 carries for 131 yards and a TD, including a fantastic game-clinching 67 yard TD run, is not a very good game, then we will just have to agree to disagree. It wasn't just one great play, but even if it was, it would have been enough. One great play can sometimes define a whole game for a player and his team.

As for the second point, I mostly agree, although I will say that when a player delivers a performance like Lynch did in the playoffs, especially in a game in which his team was a heavy underdog, it makes up for a lot.

This thread was just intended as sort of an olive branch for those who, unlike me, thought Ted should've paid what he needed to pay to get Lynch. Personally, I'm fine with what Ted did, and I think he is one of the ten best GMs in the league, and maybe one of the top five. In fact, I have so much confidence in Ted that I don't mind if somebody praises a good performance by a player he could've acquired.
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