Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
I appreciated the cue too. I had no idea that discussions were the norm here. 😉
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Stevetarded
14 years ago

Okay, so stevetarded mentions that the Pack threw 7 incompletions in a row. I'm not trying to get hung up on this on particularity, but I'm a little upset at the disconnect between the game itself and the little taglines we use to reanimate what happened.

Go back and look, in context, at the "7 straight incompletions." This wasn't a second-half failure -- it started in the 2nd quarter. A 2nd down incompletion was followed by a 3rd down sack and Crosby's 52-yard FG. Next drive, incomplete to Driver, followed by two consecutive drops by Jones on 2nd and 3rd down. Punt. The next drive, you ask -- you know the one that features the last 3 incompletions in the 7-pass-skid? It was with :13 seconds left in the half (and it also featured dropped passes). Were they supposed to run it with :13 seconds left? No. But you don't make that qualification -- instead you throw out "7 straight incompletions" to try to prove your point.

If you actually do the work to go back and look, in context, at the situations I think your opinion would change. Following those "7 straight incompletions" the game wasn't prohibitively pass-friendly. Green Bay used runs from Shotgun throughout the game to move the chains (if they didn't work people would be clamoring, like they have in the past, that we shouldn't run from Shotgun).

"evad04" wrote:



The number of incompletions doesn't effect my point at all. The passing game wasn't working by itself whether there were exactly 7 straight incompletions or not. Compare the 3rd and 4th quarters, in the 3rd quarter some runs were mixed in and that shit was working. 4th quarter comes along and they go slingin it around and go nowhere.
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porky88
14 years ago
Give Jackson 20 carries a game and he'll give you 60-70 yards most of the time. There are always exceptions, but few of them.
evad04
14 years ago

Okay, so stevetarded mentions that the Pack threw 7 incompletions in a row. I'm not trying to get hung up on this on particularity, but I'm a little upset at the disconnect between the game itself and the little taglines we use to reanimate what happened.

Go back and look, in context, at the "7 straight incompletions." This wasn't a second-half failure -- it started in the 2nd quarter. A 2nd down incompletion was followed by a 3rd down sack and Crosby's 52-yard FG. Next drive, incomplete to Driver, followed by two consecutive drops by Jones on 2nd and 3rd down. Punt. The next drive, you ask -- you know the one that features the last 3 incompletions in the 7-pass-skid? It was with :13 seconds left in the half (and it also featured dropped passes). Were they supposed to run it with :13 seconds left? No. But you don't make that qualification -- instead you throw out "7 straight incompletions" to try to prove your point.

If you actually do the work to go back and look, in context, at the situations I think your opinion would change. Following those "7 straight incompletions" the game wasn't prohibitively pass-friendly. Green Bay used runs from Shotgun throughout the game to move the chains (if they didn't work people would be clamoring, like they have in the past, that we shouldn't run from Shotgun).

"Stevetarded" wrote:



The number of incompletions doesn't effect my point at all. The passing game wasn't working by itself whether there were exactly 7 straight incompletions or not. Compare the 3rd and 4th quarters, in the 3rd quarter some runs were mixed in and that shit was working. 4th quarter comes along and they go slingin it around and go nowhere.

"evad04" wrote:


Dude, go back and look at how many of those runs were under Shotgun. From a football-philosophy perspective Shotgun draws hold the same place as WCO short passes.

Look back at the 4th quarter -- how many plays did we run? Do you honestly think the sample size of plays is large enough to criticize the playcalling? Familiar with basic statistics? This micro-analysis of playcalling is a waste of time, my man. The players didn't get the job done and Washington did a nice job.

This game: Injured players + a sub-par Rodgers performance + key dropped passes + key penalties + key FG misses = a fucking close game.
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Silentio
14 years ago

This game: Injured players + a sub-par Rodgers performance + key dropped passes + key penalties + key FG misses = a fucking close game.

"evad04" wrote:



Nah, all of those things had to do with the play calling.
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gbguy20
14 years ago

in running YPC at 4.7. Good thing we are a pass first Offense. Discuss

"Stevetarded" wrote:


Brandon Jackson had a 70 yard rush last week; Rodgers has taken off for +10 a few times.

We actually have a decent amount of 10-yard runs.

What's funny is one week we run the ball too much, the next we pass too much.

My take: IT'S THE FIFTH WEEK. SETTLE.

"evad04" wrote:



It's not about running or passing to much it's about doing it at the right time like when you have 7 straight incompletions and are averaging 5ypc on the ground you may want to try running the ball some.

"Lynn_Dickey" wrote:



nah bro terrible idea
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Timmons
14 years ago

Jesus guys, this isn't friggin' rocket science. You can't argue that the run game was this specter of dominance yesterday when a little less than half of the yards came on a single play. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING ABOUT THE "SKEWED" ISSUE.

"We didn't throw it enough." "We didn't run it enough."

I think we need nerdmann or PackFan to call our plays -- we'd light it up.

"nerdmann" wrote:





I'd get away from the "Tom Rosseley" offense, and go back to WCO fundamentals. High percentage, screens, slants, TEs, dominating time of possession, moving the chains. I wouldn't be throwing 30 yards downfield 50% of the time.

"evad04" wrote:





I totally agree! Quick passes, and move the chains. Wear down their D.
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14 years ago

Give Jackson 20 carries a game and he'll give you 60-70 yards most of the time. There are always exceptions, but few of them.

"porky88" wrote:



The only time Jackson has ever had 20 carries was in his rookie season, 20 for 113 yards.
porky88
14 years ago

Give Jackson 20 carries a game and he'll give you 60-70 yards most of the time. There are always exceptions, but few of them.

"get_louder_at_lambeau" wrote:



The only time Jackson has ever had 20 carries was in his rookie season, 20 for 113 yards.

"porky88" wrote:



Yeah against the Lions.

He has a 4.6 yard per carry average this season, thanks to his 71-yard run against the Redskins.

Without the 71-yard run against the Redskins, his average this season is about 3.3 yards per carry.

Is one play enough to warrant the ball 20 times a game?

If so, then go for it, but I wouldn't expect 80-100 yards rushing.
Zero2Cool
14 years ago
I don't believe in removing a play to suit one's opinion. I do believe that a running back and offensive line need to run the ball more than once a series to be effective consistently throughout the game.


Edit, No carries in the 2nd quarter and only one in 4th quarter.
1 - 71
1 - -4
1 - 7
3 - 1
3 - 15
3 - 7
3 - 9
3 - 0
4 - 6
OT - 3


Six carries for 6 or more yards out of ten tries.


I don't think he's our answer at running back. I do think he (or Kuhn) should get more carries consistently for our running game and offensive line's sake.
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