Stevetarded
14 years ago

Why would you even consider Bjack's stats to be "skewed" by that big run? Think no other top running teams break off long runs? Please.

"nerdmann" wrote:



We should also take away his -4 run because that skewes it too...
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evad04
14 years ago

in running YPC at 4.7. Good thing we are a pass first Offense. Discuss

"Stevetarded" wrote:


Brandon Jackson had a 70 yard rush last week; Rodgers has taken off for +10 a few times.

We actually have a decent amount of 10-yard runs.

What's funny is one week we run the ball too much, the next we pass too much.

My take: IT'S THE FIFTH WEEK. SETTLE.

"evad04" wrote:



It's not about running or passing to much it's about doing it at the right time like when you have 7 straight incompletions and are averaging 5ypc on the ground you may want to try running the ball some.

"Stevetarded" wrote:


Jackson had a 71 yard rush -- I know this is redundant, but the point is obvious: our 5 YPC is a little skewed.

As far as the 7 straight incompletions: it's a hindsight 20/20 issue. Yes, I think if you missed on 7 plays in a row you'd wish there was a time machine you could use to go back and throw a run in there. Unfortunately, there was no available Delorean/plutonium.

Green Bay failed on 3rd downs, had key drops, and a number of injuries. Add it all up and a close road loss makes sense.

"evad04" wrote:



Take away the long run and all of Aaron's runs and they still had 4.6 yards per carry so the claim about being skewed is completely false.

My point about the incompletions has nothing to do with hind sight. Once you get a bunch of incompletions you don't need a time machine to tell you that maybe you should try handing off to your (so far) effective running backs.

"Lynn_Dickey" wrote:


No, it's not completely false. Make the case all you'd like that the run game was on fire. Correct, the 12 carries that weren't by Rodgers or of the 70-yard variety accounted for 4.6 YPC. Still, the point remains 71 of their 157 rushing yards came on a single play. Moreover, if the damn receivers held on to the ball a few more times we are talking about more points on the board. Third down drops at the end of scoring drives = killers.

And no, drops don't singularly account for the loss. To be honest, I agree that we could have run it more. My point here is that 20/20 offers the greatest view. At just about any given moment our offense is at its best when it moves the ball through the air. As such, at just about any given moment against the Skins a play called to throw it could have worked. Unfortunately, it didn't. The players didn't get it done. A play call guarantees nothing -- a concept that for whatever reason seems incomprehensible to a surplus of posters here.
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evad04
14 years ago
Jesus guys, this isn't friggin' rocket science. You can't argue that the run game was this specter of dominance yesterday when a little less than half of the yards came on a single play. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING ABOUT THE "SKEWED" ISSUE.

"We didn't throw it enough." "We didn't run it enough."

I think we need nerdmann or PackFan to call our plays -- we'd light it up.
William Henderson didn't have to run people over. His preferred method was levitation.
"I'm a reasonable man, get off my case."
Stevetarded
14 years ago

in running YPC at 4.7. Good thing we are a pass first Offense. Discuss

"evad04" wrote:


Brandon Jackson had a 70 yard rush last week; Rodgers has taken off for +10 a few times.

We actually have a decent amount of 10-yard runs.

What's funny is one week we run the ball too much, the next we pass too much.

My take: IT'S THE FIFTH WEEK. SETTLE.

"Stevetarded" wrote:



It's not about running or passing to much it's about doing it at the right time like when you have 7 straight incompletions and are averaging 5ypc on the ground you may want to try running the ball some.

"evad04" wrote:


Jackson had a 71 yard rush -- I know this is redundant, but the point is obvious: our 5 YPC is a little skewed.

As far as the 7 straight incompletions: it's a hindsight 20/20 issue. Yes, I think if you missed on 7 plays in a row you'd wish there was a time machine you could use to go back and throw a run in there. Unfortunately, there was no available Delorean/plutonium.

Green Bay failed on 3rd downs, had key drops, and a number of injuries. Add it all up and a close road loss makes sense.

"Stevetarded" wrote:



Take away the long run and all of Aaron's runs and they still had 4.6 yards per carry so the claim about being skewed is completely false.

My point about the incompletions has nothing to do with hind sight. Once you get a bunch of incompletions you don't need a time machine to tell you that maybe you should try handing off to your (so far) effective running backs.

"evad04" wrote:


No, it's not completely false. Make the case all you'd like that the run game was on fire. Correct, the 12 carries that weren't by Rodgers or of the 70-yard variety accounted for 4.6 YPC. Still, the point remains 71 of their 157 rushing yards came on a single play. Moreover, if the damn receivers held on to the ball a few more times we are talking about more points on the board. Third down drops at the end of scoring drives = killers.

And no, drops don't singularly account for the loss. To be honest, I agree that we could have run it more. My point here is that 20/20 offers the greatest view. At just about any given moment our offense is at its best when it moves the ball through the air. As such, at just about any given moment against the Skins a play called to throw it could have worked. Unfortunately, it didn't. The players didn't get it done. A play call guarantees nothing -- a concept that for whatever reason seems incomprehensible to a surplus of posters here.

"Lynn_Dickey" wrote:



My whole point isn't about going away from the passing game fundamentally it's about needing to mix it up when passing isn't getting it done. It was obvious to everyone DURING (not hindsight) the game that the pass game was struggling and when they actually attempted it the run game was effective.

I'm sorry but when you go 3 and out passing it 3 times in a row you need to hand the freakin ball off a couple times.
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nerdmann
14 years ago

Jesus guys, this isn't friggin' rocket science. You can't argue that the run game was this specter of dominance yesterday when a little less than half of the yards came on a single play. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING ABOUT THE "SKEWED" ISSUE.

"We didn't throw it enough." "We didn't run it enough."

I think we need nerdmann or PackFan to call our plays -- we'd light it up.

"evad04" wrote:





I'd get away from the "Tom Rosseley" offense, and go back to WCO fundamentals. High percentage, screens, slants, TEs, dominating time of possession, moving the chains. I wouldn't be throwing 30 yards downfield 50% of the time.
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doddpower
14 years ago

Why would you even consider Bjack's stats to be "skewed" by that big run? Think no other top running teams break off long runs? Please.

"Stevetarded" wrote:



We should also take away his -4 run because that skewes it too...

"nerdmann" wrote:

evad04
14 years ago

Why would you even consider Bjack's stats to be "skewed" by that big run? Think no other top running teams break off long runs? Please.

"doddpower" wrote:



We should also take away his -4 run because that skewes it too...

"Stevetarded" wrote:

"nerdmann" wrote:


Yeah, because -4 and +71 are close to the same thing.

Let me be clear: I am a Jackson fan. I think he's been dogged on unfairly in recent weeks. I also agree that we should have shown more balance. I don't, however, think that playcalling was "the" issue. It shouldn't be seen as stubborn to establish your bread and butter if the reasons it isn't working are largely self-inflicted.

No one seems to account for this one: if they held on to the ball in a few KEY situations (3rd downs driving into the redzone) the Packers in all probability have another 7-10 points in that game. There's also the issue of driving 88 yards down the field and getting no points.
William Henderson didn't have to run people over. His preferred method was levitation.
"I'm a reasonable man, get off my case."
PackFanWithTwins
14 years ago

Why would you even consider Bjack's stats to be "skewed" by that big run? Think no other top running teams break off long runs? Please.

"evad04" wrote:



We should also take away his -4 run because that skewes it too...

"doddpower" wrote:

"Stevetarded" wrote:


Yeah, because -4 and +71 are close to the same thing.

Let me be clear: I am a Jackson fan. I think he's been dogged on unfairly in recent weeks. I also agree that we should have shown more balance. I don't, however, think that playcalling was "the" issue. It shouldn't be seen as stubborn to establish your bread and butter if the reasons it isn't working are largely self-inflicted.

No one seems to account for this one: if they held on to the ball in a few KEY situations (3rd downs driving into the redzone) the Packers in all probability have another 7-10 points in that game. There's also the issue of driving 88 yards down the field and getting no points.

"nerdmann" wrote:



All I have wanted is proper distribution. And that doesn't happen often. It is harder to establish that pass first offense when the LBers are sitting 10 yards deep in the seams. PLays are practiced to be X yards and when the defense is able to shift deeper because of not attempting to run, that makes the pass game a nightmare.
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evad04
14 years ago
Okay, so stevetarded mentions that the Pack threw 7 incompletions in a row. I'm not trying to get hung up on this on particularity, but I'm a little upset at the disconnect between the game itself and the little taglines we use to reanimate what happened.

Go back and look, in context, at the "7 straight incompletions." This wasn't a second-half failure -- it started in the 2nd quarter. A 2nd down incompletion was followed by a 3rd down sack and Crosby's 52-yard FG. Next drive, incomplete to Driver, followed by two consecutive drops by Jones on 2nd and 3rd down. Punt. The next drive, you ask -- you know the one that features the last 3 incompletions in the 7-pass-skid? It was with :13 seconds left in the half (and it also featured dropped passes). Were they supposed to run it with :13 seconds left? No. But you don't make that qualification -- instead you throw out "7 straight incompletions" to try to prove your point.

If you actually do the work to go back and look, in context, at the situations I think your opinion would change. Following those "7 straight incompletions" the game wasn't prohibitively pass-friendly. Green Bay used runs from Shotgun throughout the game to move the chains (if they didn't work people would be clamoring, like they have in the past, that we shouldn't run from Shotgun).
William Henderson didn't have to run people over. His preferred method was levitation.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

in running YPC at 4.7. Good thing we are a pass first Offense. Discuss

"Lynn_Dickey" wrote:



Thanks for the queue to discuss on a discussion board, we'd have been lost with that.
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