IronMan
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15 years ago
Cheater.  

Does NOT belong in the HOF.
nathaniel
15 years ago
If he would have just admitted it a few years ago, he would have saved himself a lot of trouble. The dude has basically been in hiding since the Senate hearings, which as embarassing as they were I would have hid out for a while too. People seem to be more forgiving if you just admit it than go about it like he or Clemens have.

That homerun chase was unbelievable. I still look back on it with fond memories, but it's like watching a movie based on actual events. You know they added to the story to make it more interesting than it really was.
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IronMan
  • IronMan
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15 years ago

If he would have just admitted it a few years ago, he would have saved himself a lot of trouble. The dude has basically been in hiding since the Senate hearings, which as embarassing as they were I would have hid out for a while too. People seem to be more forgiving if you just admit it than go about it like he or Clemens have.

"nathaniel" wrote:



I don't care when he admitted to using. I still don't forgive him. He embarrassed the St. Louis Cardinals and stole money from me. I attended 6 games in 1998 thinking I was witnessing history, when I was in fact just witnessing a cheater.
nathaniel
15 years ago

If he would have just admitted it a few years ago, he would have saved himself a lot of trouble. The dude has basically been in hiding since the Senate hearings, which as embarassing as they were I would have hid out for a while too. People seem to be more forgiving if you just admit it than go about it like he or Clemens have.

"IronMan" wrote:



I don't care when he admitted to using. I still don't forgive him. He embarrassed the St. Louis Cardinals and stole money from me. I attended 6 games in 1998 thinking I was witnessing history, when I was in fact just witnessing a cheater.

"nathaniel" wrote:



Oh, no, I don't mean his slate would be wiped clean. You're absolutely right. He cheated, and it doesn't matter when the truth comes out. I just mean that the public seems to not necessarily forgive, but move on quicker when the truth comes out right away. Doesn't make it right, though.
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digsthepack
15 years ago
Shocking...just fucking SHOCKING!
State Motto: "Wisconsin, our serial murderers eat their kill!"
wpr
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15 years ago
I am glad this is over. I was pssed when he was lieing about it but now I am willing to give him some slack.

Not The Hall. Not yet.

There are other players who used it and got away with it (So far).
There are those who used other drugs in the 80's (Not Steroids) and they are in The Hall. Where do we draw the line? Those who we are suspicious of? Those who we have proof of? Does that mean the liars like Bonds if they get away with it are allowed in The Hall?
It is tough to say.
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IronMan
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15 years ago

I am glad this is over. I was pssed when he was lieing about it but now I am willing to give him some slack.

Not The Hall. Not yet.

There are other players who used it and got away with it (So far).
There are those who used other drugs in the 80's (Not Steroids) and they are in The Hall. Where do we draw the line?

"wpr" wrote:


So if I cheat on a test and get caught, I should still get a passing grade because others may have been cheating as well?

Its real simple. If you are caught, or admit to using, you are banned from the HOF. That simple.
wpr
  • wpr
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15 years ago

I am glad this is over. I was pssed when he was lieing about it but now I am willing to give him some slack.

Not The Hall. Not yet.

There are other players who used it and got away with it (So far).
There are those who used other drugs in the 80's (Not Steroids) and they are in The Hall. Where do we draw the line?

"IronMan" wrote:


So if I cheat on a test and get caught, I should still get a passing grade because others may have been cheating as well?

Its real simple. If you are caught, or admit to using, you are banned from the HOF. That simple.

"wpr" wrote:



Easy IM. I am not saying he is right or that he should not be kept out of the Hall. I am saying others who cheat and lie and get away with it are not being held as accountable as those who cheat and then admit to it. And that doesn't seem right. I wish we could catch them all.

I think the HR record should be set back to 61*.
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IronMan
  • IronMan
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15 years ago

I am glad this is over. I was pssed when he was lieing about it but now I am willing to give him some slack.

Not The Hall. Not yet.

There are other players who used it and got away with it (So far).
There are those who used other drugs in the 80's (Not Steroids) and they are in The Hall. Where do we draw the line?

"wpr" wrote:


So if I cheat on a test and get caught, I should still get a passing grade because others may have been cheating as well?

Its real simple. If you are caught, or admit to using, you are banned from the HOF. That simple.

"IronMan" wrote:



Easy IM. I am not saying he is right or that he should not be kept out of the Hall. I am saying others who cheat and lie and get away with it are not being held as accountable as those who cheat and then admit to it. And that doesn't seem right. I wish we could catch them all.

I think the HR record should be set back to 61*.

"wpr" wrote:


If you cheat, and are caught, you should pay the consequences. It doesn't matter what someone else may have gotten away with.
4PackGirl
15 years ago
agreed, im. i know i was blind about sosa - never even dawned on me that the dude was HUGE & that really doesn't happen quite that way without some druggy drugs. oh well - no HOF for him, imo.
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