15 years ago
He's from New York/New Jersey. That's pretty much all that needs to be said. This is like a GBPG writer saying Rodgers should be in the MVP hunt.
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15 years ago


As for Aikman, he was right up there with all of those great contemporaries mentioned by zombie. He was an integral part of those Cowboys teams of the 90s. What I liked best about him was that he was always calm under pressure. Nothing fazed him. Packer fans tend to hate Aikman because he played for the Cowboys and he killed us almost every time. It's the same reason why many Packer fans hate Brian Urlacher and think he's overrated.

Aikman's stats were not huge because he played for a run-oriented team. But when he needed to throw, he could throw with the best of them.

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Greg - See what PackFanWithTwins said. Aikman wasn't great. He was good. Good does not qualify for Hall of Fame, but I guess his popularity and being in the right place at the right time got him in there.

Really easy to throw the ball when you have the best OL in the NFL, and possibly in the history of the NFL, plus you're facing 8 men in the box thinking it's going to go to Emmitt Smith.

Now, as much as I hate the Cows, I do not underrate Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin. Irvin was a reckless a-hole, but on the field he was both clutch and dangerous. Smith had a nose for the end zone and the only reason he's not considered better is because he's always compared with the best pure runner the NFL has ever seen - Barry Sanders.

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Zero2Cool
15 years ago

As for Aikman, he was right up there with all of those great contemporaries mentioned by zombie. He was an integral part of those Cowboys teams of the 90s. What I liked best about him was that he was always calm under pressure. Nothing fazed him. Packer fans tend to hate Aikman because he played for the Cowboys and he killed us almost every time. It's the same reason why many Packer fans hate Brian Urlacher and think he's overrated.

Aikman's stats were not huge because he played for a run-oriented team. But when he needed to throw, he could throw with the best of them.

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I liked Aikman, but I just don't think he was a 'great' QB. I think he was good. As you said, he never seemed to be flustered or caught up. Always came off calm, collected and ready to lead.

I'm a Packers fan, I liked Aikman, Jason Garret is the one I dislike solely because he torched us on Thanksgiving! lol
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Greg C.
15 years ago
I was surprised by how bad Aikman's TD-INT ratio was. So I took a closer look at the stats. His interception rate was actually not bad: 3.0%, which compares favorably to Favre's 3.5% and Elway's 3.1%. The "problem" is that Aikman threw fewer TD's than the others. But that's because Emmit Smith was a TD machine, so the Cowboys did not need to throw into the end zone as often as most teams. Also, the Cowboys were not a West Coast Offense team. Their whole system was more run-oriented.

In my own memory, Aikman was even more accurate than the numbers suggest because he was so good in the three years that the Cowboys won the Super Bowl. His numbers suffered at the beginning and end of his career, when he played for bad teams. Favre only played one year with a truly awful team (2005) and I don't think that ever happened to Elway.

I think Aikman was the perfect QB for those Cowboys teams. I would not make the assumption that all of those QB's that Zombie mentioned would've won three Super Bowls if they played for the Cowboys, and so what if they would have? That's a pretty darn good list. Randall Cunningham does not belong on it, and Phil Simms is borderline. The others are all Hall of Famers.

As for the QB's listed as "might haves," I would agree with Boomer and maybe Testaverde but it's hard for me to believe that Zombie is serious when he throws Rodney Peete and Scott Mitchell on there. If you include those guys you can include dozens of other guys. Maybe that was the point, but I don't buy it.

I also think it's possible that a Favre or Elway--Favre in particular--may not have fit in with that Cowboys team as well as Aikman and may have won fewer than three Super Bowls. There's no way to know, of course. It's beyond hypothetical.

The main reason I put Aikman below Montana, Favre, Young, and Elway is that he lacked mobility. I really think that in terms of intelligence, arm strength, and accuracy, he was right up there with those guys, however. Overall, I would put Aikman in with Kelly and Moon. His numbers are less impressive than theirs, though, because they played in wide-open offenses and Aikman played in a conservative offense.
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