You have no sensible information to go off of though. Anyone being objective can see that Rodgers is simply a better QB than Smith.

It is fairly obvious you still see Rodgers as a football player who replaced your great superhero or you wouldn't overreact about the way people talk about him here. (As in how nobody on this site has ever called Rodgers "God" or "A great superhero" yet you insist on pointing out how everyone does)

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David - No, check the stats I posted in that other post. Those are straight up facts.

I don't idol worship Aaron. I showed stats to prove my point.

And yes, Brady (and Donald Driver) started their careers with a chip on their shoulder. Good thing for them as we can see how it benefited them. Nobody even knew who Tom Brady was.

I really want to like Smith, especially since I'm living in San Francisco right now. But the excuses for his failures just keep coming. I've heard them all. 5 different OCs in 5 years, shoulder injuries, whatever. You still have to produce. Smith has yet to do that. Aaron's producing big numbers with the worst OL in football. Put Smith behind this OL and he'd be out of the NFL by now.

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Hell I think Zero could've passed for 300 yards yesterday against the Lions lol. The 2 bombs to Driver he was wide open. May seem strange but i think our defense won the game yesterday. Actually the defense tied them with points scored but set up more points and got screwed on the short field. Monday will be the true test for Mr Rodgers and his neighborhood, will the Packer fans go crazy again and call for heads if they lose or just blame the o-line or MM?

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He threw the ball 65 yards. The Safety covering him claims he didn't think Rodgers could throw it that far. The "shorter" bomb though you have to admit was a pretty nice pass.

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How did you show me facts? as was stated there is no facts to prove anything because Rodgers wasn't thrown into the staring spot on a very bad team and having to learn a new offense every year, and Smith never got to sit and learn and take over a team that was in the NFC Championship game.


Its all opinions but like i said i doubt very highly that even Brady or Manning would have survived thru that.

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Heh. I was reading two threads at once and ended up smearing these two threads together.

OK, no, you can't prove one way or another how Smith would have done if he was drafted by the Packers.

What I meant about facts had to do with the other thread. I showed how it's very arguable that in 2009, Rodgers is the #5 QB in the NFL.

Now back to Smith vs Rodgers - let's postpone this argument for a few more years. Crabtree may prove he's worth being paid fat coin and if so, Smith may turn out to be a pretty dang good QB in '10, especially if Gore is healthy and Vernon Davis continues to be Vernon Davis.

However, he's still no Aaron Rodgers.

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This, well part of this... Brought up a question in my mind...

Please answer it in the NFL Talk section of Packer Fourm.

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Ok, let me get some things straigth.

I didn't say he'd be out of football, I just think that he'd been around Smith's level by now, but the potential would've been too high to just give up on him.

That said, I think that Rodgers has benefited more from McCarthy than Favre. Of course, sitting behind a HoF QB helps you a little, but how much can you really learn from a QB who doesn't follow the conventional rules himself?

I mean, I like to believe that he worked with him on using his eyes and what not, but I think that McCarthy had a bigger part in this than anyone else.

About McCarthy not grooming any QBs, I think you're right. He hasn't produced a lot of amazing QBs. Thing is, though, they where all of worse without McCarthy. There's just so much you can do and he got everything he could out of them. Just look at Aaron Brooks. Like you said, he did some good things with Mike and pretty much went straigth out of the league.

I think that he is the one responsible for Rodgers' amazing progression from college into the NFL. He was pretty efficient and good, already, but McCarthy got him ready for the NFL. What other reason do you want to give for Rodgers coming out in his first start, looking as good Carson Palmer?....

Would he have been able to do this if he had some time with Alex Smith? I doubt it. He would've been good, maybe, but not Rodgers good. The 49ers should've never traded away Rattay that season. Just should've started him.

Then again, I can't really blame them, it worked out pretty well for Peyton Manning.

Rodgers has it.
Smith doesn't.

No reason to make more out of it than is really there.

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There is always some true test Rodgers has had to face. First it was Favre and then Dallas and now Baltimore. There is no more true test. Rodgers is a quality QB.

Is he great?

Not yet and beating Baltimore won't make him great. He'll be great once he wins in the postseason and then a Super Bowl win would propel him even furthur, but this idea that there is a test he has to pass every week just to please people who aren't over Favre yet is ridiculous. He'll never pass that test. Nobody would. That has more to do with the fan than it does Favre and Rodgers unforunately.

The arguement that Smith is better than Rodgers or would've been had the roles been reversed is like saying Ryan Leaf would of been great in Indy had he went to a more stable organization. An organization ran by Bill Polian who gave Peyton a lot of quality players. The fact is, that's ridiculous.

Smith was in a tough spot in San Francisco, but I'm not sure he does anything worth mentioning in Green Bay. Is he willing to sit for three years? Does he handle the drama well? There is no objectiveness when the implication is Smith is or was on the same level as Rodgers. Looking back, he wasn't. Just like, looking back, Jamarcus Russel's ability to throw the ball 80 yards overshadowed a lot more problems.

Rodgers was a quality prospect coming out but the knock on him was he wasn't a good enough athlete and his arm strength was questionable. Both knocks on him were greatly exaggerated and I think are now wrong. He has a good arm and there is no doubt about it. He doesn't have the strongest arm ever, but he can sling it and he proved that on the throw to Driver. That was basically almost 70 yards in the air. That's hard for anyone to do, pass rush or no pass rush and open or not open. He also is pretty quick for a QB. He runs well and has for some time now.

If those were the deciding factors between taking the two, then San Francisco got it wrong because they underestimated Rodgers.

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