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Rockmolder
15 years ago
You know? At some times, I'd wish there wasn't a salary cap, the Cowboys would pick up Rodgers, and he'd lead them to the SB. At least that'll make him a great QB. Everyone calls it the ultimate team sport, but if you're a QB, you can only become great by winning games. Tell that to Mr. Marino. I think he did enough to help his team out, alright. Or see how ridiculous that would sound for other position. That'd make James Lofton a very average WR for most of his career.

And why would it be so ridiculous to think that Alex Smith could be better than he is now? And that Rodgers might've been somewhat of a bust had he been picked by the 49ers?

The Manning - Leaf argument makes no sense, as Leaf just never had the physical tools or the mindset to be an NFL player. Alex Smith has. You'd think that he would be a little better, had he been able to sit for 3 years, being groomed by McCarthy and then get into an offense that actually has some receivers.

Just look at Smith playing now. He's showing flashes of what they expected him to do, now he has some kind of offensive weapons. Still, he's not great, but you ought to wonder what could've been.

And then Rodgers, a California QB. I just think that he wasn't ready for the NFL when he came in. If you throw a kid like that in there, you're taking a big gamble. The gamble that the 49ers did take and the Packers didn't.

There are barely any rookie QBs who come into the league and light it up. It takes some mental toughness to bouce back after having a horrible rookie year. Yes, it worked for Peyton Manning and.... Joe Flacco, but doing it the other way around worked just as good Phillip Rivers, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Carson Palmer, Tom Brady etc. etc. I think that there's something to be said about bringing up some patience with your new QB.
Stevetarded
15 years ago
4 years later Alex Smith still has trouble playing football under center. You can blame coaches all you want but at some point the QB is responsible for his own development. Rodgers to me comes off as a guy who has absolutely worked his ass off to get where he is yet the only reason he is good is because of Brett Favre and Mike McCarthy... I doubt it.
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Mckennj3
15 years ago
i hate all the comparisons as much as the next guy, but did anyone notice arod is on pace this year to throw for more yards then favre ever has in his entire hall of fame career? He wont hit the td's farve did in that insane year (38) but is on pace to throw only 7ints to favre's 13. just a little food for thought on a "2nd bye weekend".
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RaiderPride
15 years ago

i hate all the comparisons as much as the next guy, but did anyone notice arod is on pace this year to throw for more yards then favre ever has in his entire hall of fame career? He wont hit the td's farve did in that insane year (38) but is on pace to throw only 7ints to favre's 13. just a little food for thought on a "2nd bye weekend".

"Mckennj3" wrote:



So what... Brett did not have the recievers Aaron has to throw to. His O-line was far worse, and he had never had a a quality RB like Grant to keep the "D" off balance.

Stop with the Favre Bashing..... Please.

Zero... Please Ban This Joker.
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Mckennj3
15 years ago
lol didn't mean to hit a nerve there RP. I actually don't see how i bashed Favre in any way, shape, or form. I simply thought it was impressive that our 2nd year QB is putting up extremely close numbers to a hall of fame QB's arguably best stat year. No need to freak.

*And on a side note, I know he didn't have a stellar line either but there's no way you can say his O-line is FAR worse then a line thats averaging 4 sacks a game and getting closer and closer to GB's all time number.
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Stevetarded
15 years ago

lol didn't mean to hit a nerve there RP. I actually don't see how i bashed Favre in any way, shape, or form. I simply thought it was impressive that our 2nd year QB is putting up extremely close numbers to a hall of fame QB's arguably best stat year. No need to freak.

*And on a side note, I know he didn't have a stellar line either but there's no way you can say his O-line is FAR worse then a line thats averaging 4 sacks a game and getting closer and closer to GB's all time number.

"Mckennj3" wrote:



RP was just messing with you I think :icon_smile:
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RaiderPride
15 years ago
LOL

I loved your post.

Just ask Grave Digger or Hazer.... They know I have a jar of vaseline, two boxes of Kleenex on my night stand, and photo of Aaron taped to the ceiling above my bed,

I was being facetious.
""People Will Probably Never Remember What You Said, And May Never Remember What You Did. However, People Will Always Remember How You Made Them Feel."
Mckennj3
15 years ago
haha good stuff RP never even crossed my mind. I assume the picture your referring to is when his famous traffic stopping stash was in full bloom.
We are born naked, wet and hungry. Then things get worse.
Mckennj3
15 years ago
Too be honest i'd be scary to see the numbers he'd be capable of behind a top 5 O-line. But then again i put our receiving in the top 5 too so I guess it balances out a bit..
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porky88
15 years ago

You know? At some times, I'd wish there wasn't a salary cap, the Cowboys would pick up Rodgers, and he'd lead them to the SB. At least that'll make him a great QB. Everyone calls it the ultimate team sport, but if you're a QB, you can only become great by winning games. Tell that to Mr. Marino. I think he did enough to help his team out, alright. Or see how ridiculous that would sound for other position. That'd make James Lofton a very average WR for most of his career.

And why would it be so ridiculous to think that Alex Smith could be better than he is now? And that Rodgers might've been somewhat of a bust had he been picked by the 49ers?

The Manning - Leaf argument makes no sense, as Leaf just never had the physical tools or the mindset to be an NFL player. Alex Smith has. You'd think that he would be a little better, had he been able to sit for 3 years, being groomed by McCarthy and then get into an offense that actually has some receivers.

Just look at Smith playing now. He's showing flashes of what they expected him to do, now he has some kind of offensive weapons. Still, he's not great, but you ought to wonder what could've been.

And then Rodgers, a California QB. I just think that he wasn't ready for the NFL when he came in. If you throw a kid like that in there, you're taking a big gamble. The gamble that the 49ers did take and the Packers didn't.

There are barely any rookie QBs who come into the league and light it up. It takes some mental toughness to bouce back after having a horrible rookie year. Yes, it worked for Peyton Manning and.... Joe Flacco, but doing it the other way around worked just as good Phillip Rivers, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Carson Palmer, Tom Brady etc. etc. I think that there's something to be said about bringing up some patience with your new QB.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



You can't be a great QB until you sustain it or at least win a playoff game. Everyone will have a different opinion of a great QB or what makes one great, but Rodgers is going on an impressive run right now. It'll mean nothing if he regresses. I don't think it'll happen, but I'm also not Miss Cleo, so I don't know what the future could hold for him either. Right now, he is very good and a playoff win makes him great. Playoffs matter and they matter for every player really. It's premature to label him great. Tony Romo had an outstanding 2007 season, but they loss in the playoffs. I wouldn't label him great either. To me, he's good.

Alex Smith just doesn't have it IMO and neither did Ryan Leaf. Leaf, for the record, had the physical tools to play in the NFL. He had a strong arm and was accurate. He lead Washington State to the Rose Bowl and was the No. 1 player in the draft according to some scouts. Not to mention, he had amazing size at 6-5 and 240, and really could make every throw. He was at the time, a special prospect according to many. Now Smith's mental makeup is no where near as bad as Leafs, but Smith's skills were greatly exaggerated (as were Leaf's) due to the lack of competition he played against at Utah and the system he played in. His system pretty much made the player. Chris Leak won a national title playing in that same system afterall.

Smith is definitely having his best season, but his season is by no means good. He's thrown two more TDs than INTs and he's won one game as a starter this year. His two best performances were when his team was trailing and defenses backed off of him or in Houston's case, didn't prepare for him. I think if you're using Smith's play this year as an arguement to justify he'd be a better player than Rodgers had the roles been reversed, then yes that is ridiculous.

If you're saying he'd be a better player than he is right now had he had an easier run, then yes he would, but had Ryan Leaf had great players around him and the necessary veteran leadership on the same side of the ball as him, he may of turned out a tad better too. Doesn't mean he's not a bust though and the same is and should be said about Smith. Leaf, of course is a much bigger bust than Smith, but that's why it's an example as they are different players.

Troy Aikman had a terrible rookie season, but rebounded just fine. He had a nice career. Peyton Manning won three games and threw a ton of picks his rookie year and now he's as hard to pick off as any QB in the league. Drew Brees was awful until the Chargers actually drafted Phillip Rivers. Then, Brees actually exploded making it difficult for San Diego to put Rivers on the field.

QBs have had it as bad or worst than Smith and have turned out just fine. Sometimes you have it and sometimes you don't. Smith doesn't have it and Rodgers does. In the end, that's the difference.
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beast (27-Dec) : And horrible time management multiple times... and not being able to score more than 3 points on a team with talent
beast (27-Dec) : Realizing the Bears didn't fix it from the previous week and do the same thing, getting the game to overtime
beast (27-Dec) : They probably are not tanking, but they've absolutely mismanagement some things, such as Vikings seeing the Packers blocked FG and realizing
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Mucky Tundra (27-Dec) : The Seattle Seahawks defeat the Chicago Bears 6-3. Jason Myers had 6 RBIs for Seattle while Cairo Santos had 3 RBI for Chicago
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packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : We'd have same Division and Conference records. Strength of schedule we edge them
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bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
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bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
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