No accountability for players, and no accountability for coaches. At least McCarthy's consistent in that regard.

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Bob Sanders was held accountable.... why are the rest immune?

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Lotta anger, lotta drawing conclusions. I DVR'd the game and just watched it again. This game was given up in the final 13 minutes, and it was a cumulative breakdown spurned by gaping special teams plays, sacks at critical times, a critical holding penalty -- the list goes on.

I don't see where McCarthy is wrong in his answers. I definitely feel the offensive line is connected to many of our woes, but I don't think McCarthy is delusional. What mid-season steps exactly can be taken?

I understand that everything I say well be seen as a vehement defense of McCarthy, but I think that's unwarranted. I'm trying to be as unemotional about this as possible. I'm not looking at it from the perspective of the fan who feels [and to some extent, rightfully so] entitled to hear what they'd consider a suitable explanation. I'm just looking at the game, and the conclusion I honestly draw is that this game wasn't lost on any one domain. The crappy McCarthy playcalling is an absolutely unsubstantiated myth in my opinion, and I'm being as objective as possible. I only wish I had a better view of the entire field, but I did my level best to watch the replay CLOSELY.

Right now we as fans have plenty of reason to be upset. I can't control that for some the blame follows the ladder to the top -- McCarthy. I just can't get behind that notion because as I see it, it's been a confluence of factors -- the most impacting of which is the offensive line issues. It doesn't appear that the sacks are "playcalling" issues but rather the result of blocking breakdowns, and occasionally inadequate vision by Rodgers. I can't speak to the receivers because the t.v. camera angle doesn't afford a lot of analysis in that department.

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There are copious comments about firing MM and Ted Thompson Right Now. Not just on Kevin's forum here, but all over the place.. Including PFT.


History Buffs... People here who know way more than me.. A question for you.

Has there ever been a firing of a coach that was 4-4 ? I think Not.

Has there ever been a total overhaul firing of a Head Coach and GM from a team that was 4-4? I Think not.

Especially when that team was one game back from a wild card playoff birth with 8 games remaining.

The reason I am sure it never happened is because it would put that team in total turmoil, screw everything, and would be a total freaking disaster.

Think about it! To demand the immediate firing of the coach is ridiculous, and the GM is beyond ridiculous.

8 games left..... Ride the wave. At the end of the year, then one can evaluate and comment.

Even the fans should have that common sense.

RP

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But RP this are the same mistakes over and over that are happening..

Tell me, in any type of job, if employees ( new ones every year) are making same mistakes over and over again, and his/her boss is always saying I will get it fixed and its never fixed..

The next step would be to fire that boss or no?

Do you not understand that McCarthy is responsible for everything that you mentioned above?

He's responsible for Rodgers' vision? Wanna re-think that one?

As far as the offensive line stuff, it's a lot more interesting than just "it's McCarthy's fault!" There are individual players who are failing, there's a position coach who I hope will be looking for work elsewhere next season, and there's Ted Thompson (and also McCarthy, to whatever extent he's responsible for personnel decisions) who appears to have fielded an inadequate group of lineman.

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Longtime...

First of all, it is very difficult to make a reasonable comparison of an NFL BOSS to a performance of a "boss" in any other type of job."

Do not get me wrong. I understand what you are saying. In the world of regular business, the performance of employees is directly connected to the performance of management. and the leaders of that organization.

I am a firm believer that there is no such thing as a bad employee. There can only be bad management. But that is in the regular business world at the Bank of America, at Kinkos, at Sub Way, or at Wal-Mart.

That is because management in any other business has much more time to work with what is going wrong over and over again. The average (Player In Any Other Business.) has about 3 months or 480 Hours to prove themselves and be evaluated by management when in action.

In the NFL... Coaches have perhaps what? 7.5 minutes a week of actual performance on film to evaluate an employees performance.

I state 7.5 minutes..because some of the best players in the NFL were found to be great in action, and not in practice. They got game action, and were game performers.

I guess what I am saying is.. the analogy of "Any Other Business" does not cut it when comparing it to the NFL.

There are many GM and Head Coach tandems that were so close to putting it all together, but did not get the opportunity to review that extra 75 minutes of game film to put it all together, because they were fired.

You can not compare the NFL to any other business.

RP





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Yep. Thats on both of them. Whats the answer? That's not my job. Whether or not I have the answers is irrelevant. Its a problem. Its BEEN a problem. They need to fix it or we will find someone that will.


Yep. If Rodgers isn't finding open receivers, that is something McCarthy (he's the qb guru) needs to correct. And as for him holding the ball too long, I refuse to believe that receivers aren't open after 5-6 seconds. (Nonstop is with me on this one)




Again, either they aren't good enough(Thompson) or they aren't being properly coached. (MM)


Who hired him? And if he is the problem, then why is he still here? What is so taboo about firing someone mid season? I have never understood that.

To make a long story short, if you cannot find any fault in MM after what we have seen so far this season, then you are just not objective. You claim that I am being too "emotional" in my analysis of the Packers.

Well Porky is one of the most respected members here. He is also very level headed and very objective. And even HE said MM should be fired. Is he being too emotional or irrational?

I'm sure glad he doesn't want shifting Lang to different positions along the line to hinder that group's continuity.

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