PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago
Peterson did rip off a run for 20+ off the right side.
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15 years ago
I thought that run was off left guard.
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PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago
He had a couple of big runs.
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warhawk
15 years ago

McCarthy is calling the offense based on what defense is in front of him and he is calling it right. You take what the defense gives you. The problem is without protection the execution is not there. Specifically the 0line.

When the 0line did a little better in the second half McCarthy was dictating all over the place. It's pretty simple. Five guys ought to be able to hold four rushers off long enough to get your WR's the ball.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



IMO that is the wrong way to do things. We need to run our offense, and let the defense try to stop us. With MN pass rush, trying to beat the cover 2 deep played right into their hands.

We needed to force the short stuff, the slants, curls, drags what ever. 1, 3 step drops.

What we did in the game, is Let their defense dictate to our offense, and their offense dictate to our defense. That is how games are lost not won, and we did it twice, and lost twice.

We need to be aggressive. With Brett, we threw slants against cover 2, we dared the defense to stop us. We have lost that and need it back.

"warhawk" wrote:



Well, your thinking is just wrong. What do you think a QB is doing up there pointing their finger and shouting out instructions? They are seeing what the defense is set up to do and adusting the play.

Two weeks ago Rodgers see's the defense, recalls from the film what they were going to do, adjusts the play at the LOS resulting in a long TD to Driver untouched.

Certain defenses are called to stop certain things. You don't run the ball down the throat when you see eight in the box and you don't force the ball short against a cover 2. An offense DICTATES to the defense by doing a good job against the weakness' that defense has and NOT going right into the teeth of what a given defense is set up to stop.

It's ironic you mention Brett Favre and the Vikings and the fact they beat us twice in the same breath with "screw what the defense is doing" run YOUR offense. The STRENGTH of the Vikings is ADRIAN PETERSON. What did we do? Took him out of the running game. What did THEY do. ADUST and put the ball in Favre's hand.

What the heck do you think the Vikings record against us would have been if they said "aw, screw it, they're loading up against AP but were going to run it at them 40 times and DICTATE what our offense does best?

I'll tell you what the result would have been. Two wins for us and 0 for them. The REASON it turned out the other way around is they made better adjustments to what we were doing than the adjustments we made against them.
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WhiskeySam
15 years ago

It's ironic you mention Brett Favre and the Vikings and the fact they beat us twice in the same breath with "screw what the defense is doing" run YOUR offense. The STRENGTH of the Vikings is ADRIAN PETERSON. What did we do? Took him out of the running game. What did THEY do. ADUST and put the ball in Favre's hand.

What the heck do you think the Vikings record against us would have been if they said "aw, screw it, they're loading up against AP but were going to run it at them 40 times and DICTATE what our offense does best?

I'll tell you what the result would have been. Two wins for us and 0 for them. The REASON it turned out the other way around is they made better adjustments to what we were doing than the adjustments we made against them.

"warhawk" wrote:



Exactly, and the reason they can adjust is because they have a balanced offense. They can beat you running the football, and they can beat you passing the football. GB has a one-dimensional offense whose running game scares no one. You can get away with that against the Clevelands of the league, but not against the top teams.
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Formo
15 years ago
I haven't seen anyone else bring this up, so I will.

Butler has great points, except for one. He mentioned a player hit Aaron with his helmet without getting a penalty. He said if the QB would have been an All Pro veteran or something like that it would have been flagged, but wasn't because it was just Rodgers. I missed that play, anyone else know what he's talking about? Sounded like he's grasping for straws, but like I said, I didn't see that, and I could very well have missed it.
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Stevetarded
15 years ago

I haven't seen anyone else bring this up, so I will.

Butler has great points, except for one. He mentioned a player hit Aaron with his helmet without getting a penalty. He said if the QB would have been an All Pro veteran or something like that it would have been flagged, but wasn't because it was just Rodgers. I missed that play, anyone else know what he's talking about? Sounded like he's grasping for straws, but like I said, I didn't see that, and I could very well have missed it.

"Formo" wrote:



It was on a Rodgers scramble. He got tackled and was sitting on the ground then Asher Allen put his helmet right into Rodgers back.
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Rockmolder
15 years ago

I haven't seen anyone else bring this up, so I will.

Butler has great points, except for one. He mentioned a player hit Aaron with his helmet without getting a penalty. He said if the QB would have been an All Pro veteran or something like that it would have been flagged, but wasn't because it was just Rodgers. I missed that play, anyone else know what he's talking about? Sounded like he's grasping for straws, but like I said, I didn't see that, and I could very well have missed it.

"Stevetarded" wrote:



It was on a Rodgers scramble. He got tackled and was sitting on the ground then Asher Allen put his helmet right into Rodgers back.

"Formo" wrote:



Saw that, as well.

Was wondering why on earth that wasn't called unnecessary roughness, while a normal QB take down on Rodgers was called roughing the passer Which was a total bullshit call.
Formo
15 years ago

I haven't seen anyone else bring this up, so I will.

Butler has great points, except for one. He mentioned a player hit Aaron with his helmet without getting a penalty. He said if the QB would have been an All Pro veteran or something like that it would have been flagged, but wasn't because it was just Rodgers. I missed that play, anyone else know what he's talking about? Sounded like he's grasping for straws, but like I said, I didn't see that, and I could very well have missed it.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



It was on a Rodgers scramble. He got tackled and was sitting on the ground then Asher Allen put his helmet right into Rodgers back.

"Stevetarded" wrote:



Saw that, as well.

Was wondering why on earth that wasn't called unnecessary roughness, while a normal QB take down on Rodgers was called roughing the passer Which was a total bullshit call.

"Formo" wrote:



Weird.. I don't remember a SINGLE penalty/non-called penalty from this past Sunday. I just realized why.

This Saturday night I was at the Gopher - MSU game. There were 17 'official' flags thrown on MN that night (more was actually thrown, some were overruled/declined), and like 9 thrown on MSU. The majority of those calls were BS/piss poor calls. On both teams. It got so bad, that the entire 4th quarter the entire crowd was chanting "THESE REFS SUCK!" including the mild mannered guy that shares season tickets with us. It was absurd.

For some reason, after that game, I like mentally turned off to penalties. LOL
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Wade
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15 years ago
I think I'd rather deal with a couple missed penalties than a crew that throws flags every third play.

I wonder what the percentage of NFL officials that are lawyers is. And whether there is a correlation between "being a lawyer" and the frequency an official tosses a flag.
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Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I just checked. What tie breaker?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
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bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network
beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th
beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno
beast (23-Dec) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : bs on flexing the game....they do it for the $$league$$, not the hometown fans
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Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I wanna kill new QB's ... blitz the crap out of them.
beast (23-Dec) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.
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Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : 5th - Packers win out, Vikings lose out. Maybe?
beast (23-Dec) : Saying no to the 6th lock.
beast (23-Dec) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.
beast (23-Dec) : But it doesn't matter, as the Packers win surely win one of their remaining games
beast (23-Dec) : This is not complex, just someone doesn't want to believe reality
beast (23-Dec) : We already have told you... if Packers lose all their games (they won't, but if they did), and Buccaneers and Falcons win all theirs
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