Rockmolder
15 years ago

Hawk played well today. Was good at cutting off angles for the running back and made a few nice tackles. Seemed pretty aggressive and assignment sure. Of course, since he didn't have 2 sacks and an interception, I fully expect people to dog him.

Same for Barnett.

"evad04" wrote:



So because we've been down on him when he plays average, we can't see it when he plays a very good game?

I liked Hawk's play this game. I liked our entire LBing core, really, and Hawk was standing out even from the rest of them.

Like Greg A. Bedard said during the game.

What has gotten into Hawk? Why doesn't he do this all the time? This is the player the Packers thought they were getting.

bozz_2006
15 years ago
I think limiting his playing time the last two games was a clever ploy. Coach was crazy to not be giving him any more PT. Yeah, crazy like a fox!
UserPostedImage
15 years ago
Yeah limiting his playing time looks like it payed off.
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Stevetarded
15 years ago
God I hope Hawk plays like he did today for the rest of his career.
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buckeyepackfan
15 years ago
Put his butt on the field for more than 9 plays, and he will show up in the stats.

But it was just The Browns....Better off cutting his ass.
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all_about_da_packers
15 years ago

Yeah limiting his playing time looks like it payed off.

"cheeseheads123" wrote:




Actually, no one really limited his playing time.

Capers matches personnel packages based on what the opposing team does. When the opposing team is running 3-wide sets, 4-wide sets ... then you're going to see Capers play Nickel and Dime packages... it's only logical he do so.


Today, a lot of snaps came Hawk's way because the Browns were playing their base offense a ton.

Hawk was never benched; next week he may very well return to 10-15 snaps because the Vikings might employ 3-wide a lot, forcing the Packers to go to their Nickel package. A lot of Hawk's limited play was directed by what opposing teams did.
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evad04
15 years ago

Hawk played well today. Was good at cutting off angles for the running back and made a few nice tackles. Seemed pretty aggressive and assignment sure. Of course, since he didn't have 2 sacks and an interception, I fully expect people to dog him.

Same for Barnett.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



So because we've been down on him when he plays average, we can't see it when he plays a very good game?

I liked Hawk's play this game. I liked our entire LBing core, really, and Hawk was standing out even from the rest of them.

Like Greg A. Bedard said during the game.

What has gotten into Hawk? Why doesn't he do this all the time? This is the player the Packers thought they were getting.

"evad04" wrote:


Hawk hasn't played poorly at all this year. He just wasn't getting as many snaps. A lot of nickel defense means less Hawk. It isn't rocket science.

The point I'm trying to make is that people continue to hold him to his draft stock. How come we don't make differing qualifications for players not selected in the first five picks? "Man, Johnny Jolly played like crap today -- he's not living up to that 6th round draft pick!" Hawk was drafted a while ago. I don't find it necessary to demand top-five performances from him. He's a cog in a wheel, he always plays hard, and for years he's had the undesirable task of having more or less "boring" duties in our defenses.
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buckeyepackfan
15 years ago
"The point I'm trying to make is that people continue to hold him to his draft stock. How come we don't make differing qualifications for players not selected in the first five picks? "Man, Johnny Jolly played like crap today -- he's not living up to that 6th round draft pick!" Hawk was drafted a while ago. I don't find it necessary to demand top-five performances from him. He's a cog in a wheel, he always plays hard, and for years he's had the undesirable task of having more or less "boring" duties in our defenses. "

The voice of reason and understanding!!!!!! To bad it will be lost on those who Think AJ is overpaid and underachieving.
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Rockmolder
15 years ago

Hawk played well today. Was good at cutting off angles for the running back and made a few nice tackles. Seemed pretty aggressive and assignment sure. Of course, since he didn't have 2 sacks and an interception, I fully expect people to dog him.

Same for Barnett.

"evad04" wrote:



So because we've been down on him when he plays average, we can't see it when he plays a very good game?

I liked Hawk's play this game. I liked our entire LBing core, really, and Hawk was standing out even from the rest of them.

Like Greg A. Bedard said during the game.

What has gotten into Hawk? Why doesn't he do this all the time? This is the player the Packers thought they were getting.

"Rockmolder" wrote:

"evad04" wrote:


Hawk hasn't played poorly at all this year. He just wasn't getting as many snaps. A lot of nickel defense means less Hawk. It isn't rocket science.

The point I'm trying to make is that people continue to hold him to his draft stock. How come we don't make differing qualifications for players not selected in the first five picks? "Man, Johnny Jolly played like crap today -- he's not living up to that 6th round draft pick!" Hawk was drafted a while ago. I don't find it necessary to demand top-five performances from him. He's a cog in a wheel, he always plays hard, and for years he's had the undesirable task of having more or less "boring" duties in our defenses.



I didn't say poorly, I said average. That's what he has been, if you ask me, average. If that boring job is picking up blockers, I have to admit that he's doing a pretty good job. He's been containing 5 yards deep very good, as well.

Today, however, we saw that that isn't his only job. When he's supposed to stuff the run, you usually see him 5 yards deep on our side. Today, he was 5 yard deep on theirs. He was getting everywhere faster. He was playing more aggressive. He was hitting the holes harder than normally.

This game was great, so far this year (and last), he's been above average.

I guess your point is 'lost on me'.
RaiderPride
15 years ago
Great post ROCK. I understand where you are coming from.

From the way he played today... Led the team in tackles (7-1)

I hope is is "Unhappy" for the rest of the season.

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