Just Give Him SOME Credit...· Page 3

djcubez
Senior Member

15 years ago

Novel concept, instead of throwing around uncorroborated numbers, why don't you guys point to the number of passes that were actually under or over five yards? Ya know, give your arguments some meat?

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Alright I exaggerated. The point I was trying to make is a lot of his throws were short with YAC and most of them were setup by a defensive commitment to the run game.

porky88
Veteran Member

15 years ago

#22

I think most people understand that Favre played out of his mind against the Packers. I started two threads right after the game and I believe I put in the Packers at Vikings thoughts thread that Favre beat the Packers and Minnesota doesn't win without him. He' has improved that team by a huge margin. GB dared Favre to beat them and he did. That simple

Again though, the question was never whether or not Favre could play one game or two or even five. It's can he go through the entire season and the postseason with consistent play and not fade down the stretch? The NFL is a marathon and not a sprint.

As far as the whole Rodgers on Vikings and Vikings are better or whatnot. Go read the espn boards and come back. Favre fans have trashed Rodgers as much, if not more than Packer fans have trashed Favre. When Mike and Mike in the Morning is addressing some of the comments coming in on those boards, you know the guy is getting a lot of unnecessary flack.

It works both ways, but then again, most things do.

http://www.row12.com/

Gravedigga
Registered

15 years ago

#23

Can some people just give Favre some credit???

In a pressure filled game in which he knew was going to be the most watched MNF game ever, in which he knew that there were millions of people hoping he fails, etc., he played one of his best games EVER. He deserves credit even though a lot of people that have always hated him point to BS stuff.

"If you put Rodgers on the Vikings and you put Favre on the Packers, then hands on Rodgers would have done better" - how do you know that and who cares???

"Rodgers passed for more yards than Favre, he had a better game anyway"

I did not confirm this but on the radio they were saying that out of Rodgers 380 yards, 140 yards came from the final five minutes (70 yards from a 70 second drive and 70 yards from a 120 second drive).

I'm convinced there are fans that don't even watch games and just look at box scores. Why would the Vikings if they are up by 16 or whatever continue to throw a ton if they have AP. It only makes sense that they are going to start running more and Favre throwing less and taking no chances - hence he would obviously have less yards.

This isn't a jab at Rodgers because I have said in other threads he played a good game (not "great" IMO) and the thing that impressed me the most about him was the way he handled himself. It was pure class. He waited after the game to find Favre and hug him even though everyone in the world wants him to hate Favre. He didn't throw his O-line under the bus as he could have. He has flaws, sure, as does almost every QB in hte history of the game (including Favre). He threw a costly INT, Favre didn't, he fumbled, Favre didn't, he took a stupid safety, Favre didn't, etc. But then again he faced much much much more of a pass rush than Favre (thats an understatement), Donald Lee dropped a key pass, etc. Its all good. But its pretty amazing for a 40 year old QB to play just as well or if not better than a 20 something.

I thought I'd give him some credit in a Favre dedicated section of the site. This should somewhat even out all the Favre bashing threads here.

"djcubez" wrote:

Favre did what he was paid to do. He doesn't deserve shit for credit. Not to mention the fact that most of his yards resulted from having 7 seconds in a pocket to throw the damn ball. Imagine if we had teams stacking 8 in the box to make sure Ryan Grant didn't run all over them--any starting QB should have a field day. Plus, most of Favre's throws were less than 5 yards, the receivers did most of the work.

"RedSoxExcel" wrote:

The touchdown where Al Harris got shook out his boots it was 1.5 seconds, quick pump, and throw. The rest(Harris pointing at teammates) is history.

--------------------------------------------

A wise man once said
---------------------------------------------
You are weak, pathetic and immature..............I would have d

Gravedigga
Registered

15 years ago

#24

You say "you guys" like you mean me, however I never made excuses for the game. We lost fair and square. All I'm saying is Brett didn't do shit. He made a pass when it counted but that's what's required for a game-managing QB. His team has a run game and good defense so there's relatively no pressure on Favre to force it in there. I mean do I deserve credit every day I go and do a job I'm paid to do without making mistakes? I agree, Favre played a good game but he doesn't deserve all this credit for the win. It's not like he was bombing them on us every play and making our secondary look like fools. The Vikings as a team made our defense look like shit, not all this Favreian stuff. Wait until Favre really has to put everything on his shoulders and win a game--I guarantee he won't pull anything out of his ass like against the 49ers.

Plus what's this about Cutler. The reason we beat him is our pressure forced him to make bad throws. We rarely put any pressure on Favre because we had a weak link at safety and we focused too much on All Day. And that's not called an "excuse" for losing, it's called a "reason" for losing.

"djcubez" wrote:

Game managing QB? Wanna give the credit to Peterson? Alright, lets go over the box score.

Peterson: 25 carries, 55 yards, 2.1 yards per carry, 1 TD
Vikings: 30 carries, 63 yards, 2.1 yards per carry

Favre 24/31 271 yards, 3 touchdowns

Because of Favres arm, the Vikings didnt need to pass much in the 4th quarter. Because of Favres long pass, Peterson got a short easy TD. Because of Favre, the Vikings won. I have a hard time seeing the Vikings win with T. Jackson or Sage behind center. Every time they needed a big play, there he was, MANAGING to pillage our "great secondary"

No pressure on Favre because of a great running game? 2 yards per carry man. Thats A LOT of pressure knowing you have to make ALL the big plays in order to get points. Knowing that because the great Peterson lost the fumble which was returned for a TD, he had to get more points. This game was all about Favre and hardly at all about Peterson. Most watched cable program ever, one of the highest pressure situation maybe ever for Favre and he was nearly flawless. Take your sour grapes and excuses elsewhere 🙂

--------------------------------------------

A wise man once said
---------------------------------------------
You are weak, pathetic and immature..............I would have d

Gravedigga
Registered

15 years ago

#25

Love how people are saying Rodgers padded his stats in garbage time. 140 yards in the 4th. The only difference between him and Brett is that Rodgers made those garbage time passes. Didn't MN go for a bomb with the game ticking away? Only Brett missed.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:

He did it on purpose. No use in kicking a dying dog.

--------------------------------------------

A wise man once said
---------------------------------------------
You are weak, pathetic and immature..............I would have d

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

15 years ago

#26

The touchdown where Al Harris got shook out his boots it was 1.5 seconds, quick pump, and throw. The rest(Harris pointing at teammates) is history.

"Gravedigga" wrote:

You mean the play where the safety failed to cover the top as Harris expected? Yeah, about 2 seconds.

Gravedigga
Registered

15 years ago

#27

The touchdown where Al Harris got shook out his boots it was 1.5 seconds, quick pump, and throw. The rest(Harris pointing at teammates) is history.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

You mean the play where the safety failed to cover the top as Harris expected? Yeah, about 2 seconds.

"Gravedigga" wrote:

I believe it was man coverage with some up top help. But Harris always covers one on one, bump and run with no help. I doubt it was a zone coverage there.

--------------------------------------------

A wise man once said
---------------------------------------------
You are weak, pathetic and immature..............I would have d

Rockmolder
Honored Member

15 years ago

#28

The touchdown where Al Harris got shook out his boots it was 1.5 seconds, quick pump, and throw. The rest(Harris pointing at teammates) is history.

"Gravedigga" wrote:

You mean the play where the safety failed to cover the top as Harris expected? Yeah, about 2 seconds.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

I believe it was man coverage with some up top help. But Harris always covers one on one, bump and run with no help. I doubt it was a zone coverage there.

"Gravedigga" wrote:

I'm pretty sure it wasn't. He obviously just let him go. He had the under coverage and Martin the over coverage. Martin just never got therei.

I think it might look like man because, I think, Harris stretched out his zone to give some help to Martin, with no one else on his side on the field.

RedSoxExcel
Registered Topic Starter

15 years ago

#29

"djcubez" wrote:

I don't get it. He has no pressure? Did you even watch the game, this running game your talking about was stuffed. I don't have the stat but I bet Favre converted many 3rd and longs when the pressure is ALL on him because its a passing down and the Vikings defense is stting down.

"Wait until Favre really has to put everything on his shoulders and win a game" - He already did, 80 yard drive with 90 seconds left, no time outs? I don't get it.

Plus there are people discounting Favre's passes because of YAC but do not do the same for Rodgers (i.e. Finleys TD), it works both ways. YAC are part of the game. Also the throwing over 5 yards issue - I did a quick search and I found 8 of Favre's 24 passes went for more than 15 yards. I don't know about the 5 yards. But I know of the touchdown with Berriman was 30 yards and there was maybe 2 YAC and the Harvin 45 yarder, which I would guess had 5 YAC. Plus his average yards per pass was 11.29. How do you respond to that?

The Berriman touchdown is a perfect example. I don't get what that has to do with having "7 seconds per play". He snapped it, threw it between 1-2 seconds right into the hands of the receiver in stride.

I don't even care about this because as Zero said he's not our concern. But I just don't get the position that he managed the game.

blank

RedSoxExcel
Registered Topic Starter

15 years ago

#30

The touchdown where Al Harris got shook out his boots it was 1.5 seconds, quick pump, and throw. The rest(Harris pointing at teammates) is history.

"Rockmolder" wrote:

You mean the play where the safety failed to cover the top as Harris expected? Yeah, about 2 seconds.

"Gravedigga" wrote:

I believe it was man coverage with some up top help. But Harris always covers one on one, bump and run with no help. I doubt it was a zone coverage there.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

"Gravedigga" wrote:

I think it was a broken play. Harris thought he had coverage behind him. You can tell because he was already pulling out his mouthguard to yell at Martin before Berriman got into the endzone, lol.

blank

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

Zero2Cool (50m) : Jets released K Riley Patterson and signed K Anders Carlson to the practice squad.

wpr (59m) : Thanks guys

Mucky Tundra (20h) : Happy Birthday wpr!

Zero2Cool (20h) : Anders Carlson ... released by 49ers

dfosterf (7-Nov) : Happy Birthday!😊😊😊

wpr (7-Nov) : Thanks Kevin.

Zero2Cool (7-Nov) : Happy Birthday, Wayne! 🎉🎂🥳

beast (7-Nov) : Edge Rushers is the same... it's not the 4-3 vs 3-4 change, it's the Hafley's version of the 4-3... as all 32 teams are actually 4-2

Zero2Cool (6-Nov) : OLB to DE and player requests trade. Yet folks say they are same.

beast (5-Nov) : In other news, the Green Bay Packers have signed Zero2Cool to update their website 😋 jk

beast (5-Nov) : Might just re-sign the kicker we got

beast (5-Nov) : Are there any kickers worth drafting next year?

Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Preston Smith for Malik Willis

Mucky Tundra (5-Nov) : Getting a 7th rounder from the Stillers

Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : At least we get 7th round pick now!! HELLO NEW KICKER

Mucky Tundra (5-Nov) : Steelers getting a premier lockdown corner!

Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Packers are trading edge rusher Preston Smith to the Pittsburgh Steelers, per sources.

Mucky Tundra (5-Nov) : Preston Smith traded to the Steelers!!!!

Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : CB Marshon Lattimore to Commanders

Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Bears are sending RB Khalil Herbert to the Bengals, per sources.

Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : ZaDarius Smith continues his "north" tour.

Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Let the Chiefs trade a 5th for him

Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Nearing 30, large contract, nope.

Martha Careful (5-Nov) : any interest in Marshon Lattimore?

Zero2Cool (4-Nov) : What does NFL do if they're over cap?

Mucky Tundra (4-Nov) : They've been able to constantly push it out through extensions, void years etc but they're in the hole by 72 million next year I believe

hardrocker950 (4-Nov) : Seems the Saints are always in cap hell

Mucky Tundra (4-Nov) : Saints HC job is not an envious one; gonna be in cap hell for 3 years

Mucky Tundra (4-Nov) : Dennis Allen has now been fired twice mid-season with Derek Carr as his starting QB

Zero2Cool (4-Nov) : Kuhn let go

beast (4-Nov) : I wonder if the Packers would have any interest in Z. Smith, probably not

Zero2Cool (4-Nov) : Shefter says Browns and Lions will figure out how to get a deal done for Za'Darius Smith..

Zero2Cool (4-Nov) : Packers are more likely to have 1,000 yard rusher than 4,000 yard passer

Zero2Cool (3-Nov) : It's raining hard.

Zero2Cool (3-Nov) : Packers inactives vs. Lions: CB Jaire Alexander S Evan Williams C Josh Myers Non-injury inactives: WR Malik Heath OL Travis Glover DE Bren

packerfanoutwest (3-Nov) : Malik Willis: My focus is helping the Packers win, not proving I can start elsewhere. But he could

Zero2Cool (1-Nov) : I had Texans, but the loss of another WR flipped me

wpr (1-Nov) : I thought about taking the Jets but they've been a disaster. Losing to the Pats last week

Zero2Cool (1-Nov) : Surprised more didn't pick Jets in Pick'em.

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2024 Packers Schedule

Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM

Eagles

29 - 34

Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM

COLTS

16 - 10

Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM

Titans

30 - 14

Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

29 - 31

Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM

Rams

24 - 19

Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM

CARDINALS

34 - 13

Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM

TEXANS

24 - 22

Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM

Jaguars

30 - 27

Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM

LIONS

14 - 24

Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM

Bears

Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM

49ERS

Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM

DOLPHINS

Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM

Lions

Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM

Seahawks

Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM

SAINTS

Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM

Vikings

Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM

BEARS