Before I start I'll try and explain myself better, which is me admitting I'm wrong. Of course Favre deserves some credit, it's not like everyone can be a QB in the NFL and win big games. That said, I don't think he deserves the amount of credit he's getting.
You say "you guys" like you mean me, however I never made excuses for the game. We lost fair and square. All I'm saying is Brett didn't do shit. He made a pass when it counted but that's what's required for a game-managing QB. His team has a run game and good defense so there's relatively no pressure on Favre to force it in there. I mean do I deserve credit every day I go and do a job I'm paid to do without making mistakes? I agree, Favre played a good game but he doesn't deserve all this credit for the win. It's not like he was bombing them on us every play and making our secondary look like fools. The Vikings as a team made our defense look like shit, not all this Favreian stuff. Wait until Favre really has to put everything on his shoulders and win a game--I guarantee he won't pull anything out of his ass like against the 49ers.
Plus what's this about Cutler. The reason we beat him is our pressure forced him to make bad throws. We rarely put any pressure on Favre because we had a weak link at safety and we focused too much on All Day. And that's not called an "excuse" for losing, it's called a "reason" for losing.
"RedSoxExcel" wrote:
I don't get it. He has no pressure? Did you even watch the game, this running game your talking about was stuffed. I don't have the stat but I bet Favre converted many 3rd and longs when the pressure is ALL on him because its a passing down and the Vikings defense is stting down.
"djcubez" wrote:
The running game was stuffed because that was our gameplan. We were trying to force Favre to beat us with his arm. However, we didn't really do much to stop him when he did throw it. We didn't put any pressure on him and we allowed him to consistently hit his dump-off targets. The few deep balls he through took advantage of our inconsistent safety play and miscommunication.
"Wait until Favre really has to put everything on his shoulders and win a game" - He already did, 80 yard drive with 90 seconds left, no time outs? I don't get it.
Did you see that play? Did you see that drive? "Greg Lewis leaped for a 32-yard touchdown catch with 2 seconds left." My point is that he's not gonna pull that out of his ass every time they need a win. He had one play left from the opposing 32-yard line, we are talking 4th-and-26 odds here. No way do they win that game if they tried it again.
Plus there are people discounting Favre's passes because of YAC but do not do the same for Rodgers (i.e. Finleys TD), it works both ways. YAC are part of the game. Also the throwing over 5 yards issue - I did a quick search and I found 8 of Favre's 24 passes went for more than 15 yards. I don't know about the 5 yards. But I know of the touchdown with Berriman was 30 yards and there was maybe 2 YAC and the Harvin 45 yarder, which I would guess had 5 YAC. Plus his average yards per pass was 11.29. How do you respond to that?
You do know those 8 plays of 15 or more include YAC don't you? The Berrian TD was blown coverage by the safety (Al Harris fucked up pretty royally too) although it was a well thrown ball. I also never said Rodgers' deserves more credit for his passes than Favre or that Rodgers' YAC is "worth more." Average yards per pass also doesn't say shit about how long he actually
threw the ball, it takes all your total passing yards and divides them by the amount of completions. One long touchdown can render that stat almost completely irrelevant. I prefer something like average yards per attempt which was about 8.7. Also there yards per pass play were actually 8.5 (
source ).
The Berriman touchdown is a perfect example. I don't get what that has to do with having "7 seconds per play". He snapped it, threw it between 1-2 seconds right into the hands of the receiver in stride.
It was a blown play? And it was a decent throw, but what QB in the NFL doesn't hit a wide open receiver lol.
I don't even care about this because as Zero said he's not our concern. But I just don't get the position that he managed the game.
All I'm saying is Favre did what he was supposed to, sure he deserves credit for that but the game was never on the line for him, the Vikings were never down and the entire Packers defense was committed to stopping Adrian Peterson, not Favre. I'm sure if the Vikings were losing at some point and Favre was forced to make a play, we might have seen an entirely different game.