dingus
15 years ago
Rogers is responsible for a couple of the sacks but I appreciate not throwing it up just for the hell of it. If he gets any protection that offense is scary.
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zombieslayer
15 years ago
I think Engineer is thinking rationally here folks. Maybe Campen isn't as much of the problem as the person supplying him with the tools. Or maybe they're both to blame. I don't know. Just throwing it out there.
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TheEngineer
15 years ago
Well unfortunately I don't have as much film as what the coaches do so much of what I can suggest is based upon gross assumptions which may or may not be correct.

Firstly, I've heard that players aren't getting all that many extra snaps for the offensive line. This is something I would correct.

Drills should focus on fundamentals - what I'm seeing is that players are off balance and on their heels, being pushed around. Additionally, their hands aren't placed well and they're getting slapped off from the push. Is this a problem with OL strength? It seems they're not really pushed backwards too badly but are always susceptible to stunts and inside moves. Drills should focus on maintaining balance and have the defense practice these stunt and swim moves.

I'd like to bring in Quinn Johnson to see if the running game can be improved. I doubt the loss of one of the fullbacks will significantly worsen our ST play, which in itself is already rather subpar and spotty.

Bring in free agents for try outs at the OL positions.

Watch film on how other teams are able to block so well. Is it because they're stronger? Faster reactions? Better fundamentals?

Doesn't this all sound familiar? Well personally I agree with what the coaches are doing and what they're working on. However, it's not translating on the field. There must be a good reason for it. We need to isolate reasons and correct them. This poor offensive line play has been going on for 2 seasons now. Yet Favre was sacked, what, 12 times in 2007? Players haven't really changed too much. Has playcalling changed? Is Favre that much better at reads? Watch film from 2007 and see what differences are evident.

Basically, go back to first principles. Start from the very start. Prior to the snap. Positioning or hands, fingers, eyes, helmet, body, angle, how spread your legs are, pre-snap looks, pre-snap audibles. Timing of the snap. Reactions by OL players. I've seen videos of boxers being able to punch a punching bag by reacting to a light within 0.3 seconds or something. Have they practice reaction skills of this sort. Practice having their arms thrown off. Practice dropping back while being pushed by a DL. Practice pressing forward while being pushed by a DL. Practice lateral movements. Time how long each OL can hold for. Use incentives. Use negative reinforcement. Perhaps the fact that these players are so young, the occasion of a football game gets to them and they don't perform as in practice. This is alluded to by McCarthy when he said he kept the same schedule even though it was a Monday night game. Pipe in field noise. Bring in crowds. Have direct scrutiny by the coaches breathing down their neck. Practice is not a time to joke around, to have some fun before the games. Practice is where corrections are made and fundamentals addressed. Have them feel the pressure, make it feel like they're playing for their starting spot.

Whatever the case may be. Go back to what makes a good team good, and see where your team differs from that. Then keep practising till your team emulates that. You have to be tough on the players to perform well in all aspects of the game at all times. That's what I'd do before I start firing people.
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Cheesey
15 years ago
Campen isn't the problem. (Are you gonna ban me Ironman???LOL)
The guys on the line are crap. They can't block anyone. Thats not the coach's fault.
Changing the coach now won't do anything. The linemen just are not talented.
Use th by week to get SOMEONE in here that can friggin BLOCK.
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15 years ago


Use th by week to get SOMEONE in here that can friggin BLOCK.

"Cheesey" wrote:



I doubt that will happen. I don't think Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson will be satisfied until Rodgers gets injured and is out for the year.
Cheesey
15 years ago


Use th by week to get SOMEONE in here that can friggin BLOCK.

"IronMan" wrote:



I doubt that will happen. I don't think Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson will be satisfied until Rodgers gets injured and is out for the year.

"Cheesey" wrote:


I know thats not their goal, but it seems they are too damn stubborn to do anything about it.
Unless there just are NO players out there better then what we have.
Hell, check EVERY practice squad in the league and get ANYONE.
They can't be any worse then what we have.
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Dulak
15 years ago

Rogers is responsible for a couple of the sacks but I appreciate not throwing it up just for the hell of it. If he gets any protection that offense is scary.

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Rodgers had 159 passer rating in preseason ... you wonder why? ... no sacks

now granted that was preseason and we were against not as good teams ...

the point is again NO SACKS ... rodgers had the best passer rating in the NFL preseason because of this and this is why everyone was high on the packers going into the regular season.

So how do we fix this? ... ya I got to say get a new Oline coach ... last year our oline was crap also - it was blamed on the musical chair line and injuries ... now its blammed on the players. I say get a new Oline coach and lets see how it works out.
Zero2Cool
15 years ago
It was blamed on musical chairs last season? What did we do the last two games? Our C to G, our G to T. lol We don't learn.
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digsthepack
15 years ago
Biggest problems as I see it, on the O-line:

Campen is an ineffective teacher of line play.

We draft tough, scrappy guys like Spitz and Sitton, and then ask them to play finesse ZBS.

Add to that MM's inability to get this team to keep the penalties down...a recipe for disaster.
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Dulak
15 years ago

It was blamed on musical chairs last season? What did we do the last two games? Our C to G, our G to T. lol We don't learn.

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ya problem is its not just because we did some 'adjustments' to where our personal plays.

We got many sacks first from the right then the left when we had our fullline going; then of course our LT goes down and our ability to handle them gets worse.
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