DarkaneRules
16 years ago

I still say Rodgers had an opportunity to win three more games and didn't come through. Crosby had a chance to win two more and didn't come through.


:)

"SlickVision" wrote:



I am totally on board with this post right here. Rodgers, while really good in his first NFL season as a starter, was not ready to lead his team back when the whole defense on the opposing team dropped back waiting to take advantage of an offense that had no legitimate running threat at all knowing we had to pass.
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Zero2Cool
16 years ago

football is a team sport.

"AKamp74" wrote:



This could have been said in the first response and this entire discussion would have never happened. :icon_smile:

A quarterback nor any other player at that matter can lead a team to any type of victory, especially in the great sport of football. All 11 men on the field must perform to win a game.
In that case, all arguments are out the window. A quarterback does not win games, a team does.

Packers come from behind wins in 08 = 0-8

End of discussion.

Oh yeah, +1 to PackGirl for making sense.

"4PackGirl" wrote:




And if it would have ended the discussion I would not have held up my end. I wanted to see for myself. And I strongly feel that Crosby could have won us TWO games, and didn't. I also feel Rodgers could have won us THREE games, but didn't.

I'm not saying we should cut Crosby or trade Rodgers or anything. Just calling it as I see it. What's wrong with that? I know it's a team sport. You know it's a team sport. They know, everyone knows.
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Pack93z
16 years ago
Sometime last season / early offseason I went through and broke down Aaron's stats in the final five minutes of the game.. there was a notable difference in the stats.. and it really is the only aspect of Rodgers game that can be attacked at this point..

But even though I mentioned it at the time.. it is nitpicking to a certain degree.
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dhazer
16 years ago

Sometime last season / early offseason I went through and broke down Aaron's stats in the final five minutes of the game.. there was a notable difference in the stats.. and it really is the only aspect of Rodgers game that can be attacked at this point..

But even though I mentioned it at the time.. it is nitpicking to a certain degree.

"pack93z" wrote:






I remember seeing a game late in the year and they said his rating in the last 4 minutes was like 57.7


but i don't remember the exact number, but remember a long thread about it.
I'm thinking now that he don't have nothing for pressure he should be able to relax and just play the game and hopefully learn to just move the chains at the end of the game. I think he gets his 1st one he will be fine after that.
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Yerko
16 years ago

I'm not saying we should cut Crosby or trade Rodgers or anything. Just calling it as I see it. What's wrong with that? I know it's a team sport. You know it's a team sport. They know, everyone knows.

"SlickVision" wrote:


I never said you thought we should cut Crosby or trade Rodgers...I was just stating the obvious.
Not everyone knows if they are placing blame on one individual. Obviously that writer doesn't know...he blamed one of the losses on Rodgers when Crosby missed a field goal.
So no, not everyone knows.
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Zero2Cool
16 years ago

I'm not saying we should cut Crosby or trade Rodgers or anything. Just calling it as I see it. What's wrong with that? I know it's a team sport. You know it's a team sport. They know, everyone knows.

"AKamp74" wrote:


I never said you thought we should cut Crosby or trade Rodgers...I was just stating the obvious.
Not everyone knows if they are placing blame on one individual. Obviously that writer doesn't know...he blamed one of the losses on Rodgers when Crosby missed a field goal.
So no, not everyone knows.

"SlickVision" wrote:



hah damn, good point. You used what I quoted to prove me wrong, blah. How can he not know? I mean, when you look at the game, you see 22 guys on the field? How the heck can you not know it's a team sport?

Anyhow, I'm not putting the loss ON Rodgers/Crosby. I'm saying, they both had between them five potential chances to give us a win and didn't.
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warhawk
16 years ago

Hmmmmmmm, very odd.

You could have saved all this work by just stating the obvious


Aaron is 0-8 in comeback attempts with 4:00 or less in the game.


You need not look any farther than Brett's first game to see that Brett accomplished more in 1 single 4th quarter than A-Rod has done in his career to date.

"dd80forever" wrote:



So the criteria you are using is LOSING at the 4 minute mark and coming back to win? If the team is tied or winning, it would not be considered a comeback. But the Packers were only losing at the 4:00 mark in four games?

"Zero2Cool" wrote:




You might want to check the TB game.

We were losing with 4:00 left.

The other error is the Jaguar game where they went ahead with 2:00 left and A-Rod threw an INT to end the game

"dd80forever" wrote:



This is the type of example that is just redulous in my mind because nothing is taken into consideration other than the final score.

I was at this game.

First of all the Jaguars not only came down and scored with 1:54 left they had also scored a TD the time before that so the momentum was all their way now.

We had 82 yards to go and no timeouts AND not needing a FG to win but a dang TD. Big difference.

By the time we got to the forty something yard line there was 40 something seconds to go. The Jaguars were absolutely covering the deep ball and got pressure on Arod every time he went back. If you don't believe that than just look at the play he threw the INT. The RDE was chasing Rodgers straight to the sidelines.

This game reached a point time-wise where we needed to get the ball down to the thirty or so (in otherwords a big play) and then take four shots in the endzone.

The odds of any QB winning this game were beyond pitiful and if anybody dragged up how many times somebody did, in fact, pull one off like this it would show exactly that.

Was it Arods fault we got down to the Bears TWENTY TWO freaking yard line and got a FG blocked? Was it ARods fault we got it to the FIVE yard line against Houston only to have a phantom holding call that screwed us?

Even against the Titans he throws a bomb dead on the money to Jennings and the CB grabs him on the right arm and the ball goes incomplete and that was a PERFECT throw that was LATE in the game that puts us on the twenty.

So don't anybody try to tell me Arod CAN'T do what he needs to do late in a game to win. The Jaguars game? Gimme a break. Nobody takes a team 82 yards with 1:54 and no timeouts needing a TD with the momentum on the other side of the field.
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dhazer
16 years ago
Warhawk, I don't know how old you are but there have been alot of games won like that, so you can't say noone could have done it. Elway has done it alot hell he has THE DRIVE sure it was 4:30 seconds but they ran the ball 4 of the 1st 5 plays and that started from the 2.
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warhawk
16 years ago

Warhawk, I don't know how old you are but there have been alot of games won like that, so you can't say noone could have done it. Elway has done it alot hell he has THE DRIVE sure it was 4:30 seconds but they ran the ball 4 of the 1st 5 plays and that started from the 2.

"dhazer" wrote:



I'm 57. I think I've seen plenty of football. My dad was a college HC and I recall him winning a game like this twice in 29 years and he retired with the second highest winning percentage in his division.

It's a one out of 20+ proposition. Period. If you want to take "nobody does it" literally fine. I'm saying if a team is in that spot they don't win.

1:54 is NOT 4:30 seconds. No timeouts is no timeouts.

Your talking about having the luxury of the option to run the football vs. a defense KNOWING you don't have time to run the football. Again. I was at the game. The Jags sent the dogs on Arod every play, kept two back deep, and guarded the sidelines.

The point I'm trying to make is needing a TD to win a game is huge over needing a FG and no timeouts with under two minutes completely limits what a team can do in that time. You can't even afford to go over the middle for the time that comes off the clock to get the ball snapped again.

If this is a scenario where Arod has the two minute warning and maybe another timeout and needs a FG to win THAT is a situation where throwing an INT is unaccpetable and where a win is at least within reason.

The Jags game? No. That would take a fluke and if you put yourself there you don't deserve to win.
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Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago
Dhazer, I would love to see you to come up with statistics showing how often John Elway won with less than 2:00 on the clock and no timeouts. 😃
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