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Stevetarded
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and yet people give Brett credit for this win

Can you guess what game it was?

1-10-** 31 (:59) 32-B.Jackson up the middle to PHI 30 for 1 yard

Timeout #3 by ** at 00:52.
2-9-** 30 (:51) 32-B.Jackson right tackle to PHI 23 for 7 yards

3-2-** 23 (:15) 4-B.Favre kneels to PHI 25 for -2 yards.
Timeout #1 by GB at 00:06.

4-4-** 25 (:06) 2-M.Crosby 42 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-60-R.Davis, Holder-9-J.Ryan.

Plays: 4 Possession: 0:57

2-M.Crosby kicks 39 yards from GB 30 to *** 31. ***

47 for 16 yards. *** pass incomplete short right to -***. PENALTY on ***, Illegal Forward Pass, 5 yards, enforced at *** 47.
END GAME

"longtimefan" wrote:

2 runs, and a kneel by Brett for a 42 FG attempt and Fg is made, but Brett gets the credit?

if that's the Eagles game you should also mention Brett had the ball with I think 3 minutes left and couldn't do anything so we had to punt. The only reason we were in FG range was because they fumbled the return.

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#42

I will give you common courtesy but respect is a little strong.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

That's where you and I differ then. I try my hardest to respect everyone until they prove intractable. I hardly agree on anything with most of my closest friends, but we all respect and admire each other because we know what we believe and we're able to argue for our beliefs.

I've never "gotten pissed" at you, as you put it, for disagreeing with me. I do think you sometimes rehash the same arguments ad nauseum, but I don't get "pissed" about that. In fact, I can point to a number of posts in which I give you props for raising good points. The only thing I've ever taken issue with you personally is your tone, which is consistently sarcastic, snide, condescending, and often downright insulting. I understand that you're in the minority on a lot of issues, but I don't see why you have to be so strident about expressing yourself.

But this is Zero's show and he seems to like you, so I'm hands off.

"dd80forever" wrote:

And Pack93 nicely explained this in another thread. I get the same snide, condescending, sarcastic and downright insulting comments launched at me on a daily basis and yet you still seem to "respect" those people. Why is that. Are you going to tell me you "don't see them"? Funny Pack93 sure does, and though I disagree with him quite often he at least is fair about the overall dynamics of the site.

So yeah, that leads me to believe you see what you want to see and close your eyes when people attack me. Why is that? It must be because my view doesn't align with yours.

The fact is I disagree and get shit tossed at me all the time and you never seem to care, but when I respond with the same missiles I'm the bad guy. So yeah, you want some respect from me, I'd love to give it to you, but if you are going to selectively call me out after all the shit I take, I feel no need to give you any.

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The_Green_Ninja
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16 years ago

#43

It's not about your unintelligent points, it's about your lack of common curiosity 😛.

And the only reason I post that is to lighten the place up. Because everyone cares about a lonely person the internet whining 😛.
But still, that ban offer is still on the table. XD.

dd80forever
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#44

"The_Green_Ninja" wrote:

My point exactly

If I put a picture like that up, I'd be "insulting" people and blah, blah, blah.

You do it........Ahhhhh.....It's ok

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longtimefan
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16 years ago

#45

Hmmmmmm, interesting

The Titans game GB had the ball with 4:00 left and had to punt it at the 2:00 mark after A-Rod threw 3 incomplete passes, and a 2 yard dump-off on 3rd and 10 on the drive.

If A-Rod delivers their is NO overtime.

Regarding the Falcons game we were down by 3 in the 4th quarter and A-Rod through an INT which Atl returned to the redzone. If A-Rod doesn't throw this pick the game is alot closer at the end. A-Rod caused the Packers to not be in position to wrap it up in the 4th with a silly throw

You must also be confused on the Texans game. The Packers had the ball in a TIE football game with 4:00 left and they had to punt at the 2-Minute mark. The Texans drive and win at the end. If Rodgers converts the Texans never get the ball back and we run out the clock.

The missed FG by Crosby of 52 Yards is debatable I guess but A-Rod had the ball on the MINN 40 with 2:15 left. He failed to get a first down to make it an easier kick.

How you don't put a big part of the end-game play on Rodgers for these 4 is beyond me. Sure glad you are unbiased.

"dd80forever" wrote:

Not trying to slam, but were those 3 incompletes all because Rodgers threw bad, or were drops?

I agree with Atlanta game

Texans game? That I do not agree with

1-10-GB 16 (4:37) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass deep left to 80-D.Driver to HOU 25 for 59 yards (31-B.Harrison).

1-10-HOU 25 (3:46) 25-R.Grant left end to HOU 22 for 3 yards (98-A.Weaver, 91-A.Okoye).

2-7-HOU 22 (3:02) 25-R.Grant right tackle to HOU 13 for 9 yards (26-E.Wilson). PENALTY on GB-75-T.Moll, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at HOU 22 - No Play.

2-17-HOU 32 (2:56) 12-A.Rodgers sacked at HOU 41 for -9 yards (59-D.Ryans).

3-26-HOU 41 (2:21) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 86-D.Lee to HOU 38 for 3 yards (52-X.Adibi) [90-M.Williams].
Two-Minute Warning

4-23-HOU 38 (2:00) 7-J.Kapinos punts 35 yards to HOU 3, Center-61-B.Goode, downed by GB-53-S.Havner.

Houston Texans at 01:49

They were with in fg range, Clifton gets a 10 yard hold

Then Rodgers took I believe 3 or 4 steps TURNED and he was sacked..He had no time to react, had no clue a guy was coming ( and please dont say Brett would have known a guy was there, cu that is SPECULATION)

Sorry I dont pin that loss on him at all,I still stand by he deserves 3 of the losses on his shoulders, but not 4

and I posted it on 1st page, the Philly game Brett did NOTHING for that win...206 yards passing,no tds and one INT..

Final drive 2 runs and a kneel down by him and the FG was good for the win..But yet HE gets credit for come winning drive?

So I dont put the Minny loss on him either...

dd80forever
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"longtimefan" wrote:

Not trying to slam, but were those 3 incompletes all because Rodgers threw bad, or were drops?

I agree with Atlanta game

Texans game? That I do not agree with

"dd80forever" wrote:

You can easily find things in any game to minimize the impact. You are speculating just as I am. However, the stat doesn't have asteriks beside certain games because thier was a holding penalty or a WR drops a ball or A-Rod couldn't get rid of the ball in time.

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mi_keys
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16 years ago

#47

"longtimefan" wrote:

Not trying to slam, but were those 3 incompletes all because Rodgers threw bad, or were drops?

I agree with Atlanta game

Texans game? That I do not agree with

"dd80forever" wrote:

That holding on Moll was bullshit. Nothing he did remotely resembled anything that could possibly have been construed as a hold. I was so... ugh the refs last year were so fucking incompetent.

Born and bred a cheesehead

4PackGirl
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16 years ago

#48

ok guys - can we please agree on one friggin thing??

football is a team sport.

the endless discussions about favre vs rodgers proves you don't believe that. the endless comparison of one season to another proves you don't believe that.

my point? you cannot compare one season to another - EVER!! each season brings different players, injuries, age, etc... so to compare one season to the next is stupidity. in fact, to compare a specific player from one season to the next is equally impossible. do each of you feel the same way you did a year ago - physically & mentally? i doubt it.

way too many variables in the sport to make any sort of comparisons so let's just end it now.

i'm totally psyched about each new season of packers football - just wish the rest of you would forget this other shit & enjoy the game.

Zero2Cool
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16 years ago

#49

I still say Rodgers had an opportunity to win three more games and didn't come through. Crosby had a chance to win two more and didn't come through.

:)

Yerko
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16 years ago

#50

football is a team sport.

"4PackGirl" wrote:

This could have been said in the first response and this entire discussion would have never happened. :icon_smile:

A quarterback nor any other player at that matter can lead a team to any type of victory, especially in the great sport of football. All 11 men on the field must perform to win a game.
In that case, all arguments are out the window. A quarterback does not win games, a team does.

Packers come from behind wins in 08 = 0-8

End of discussion.

Oh yeah, +1 to PackGirl for making sense.

DarkaneRules
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16 years ago

#51

I still say Rodgers had an opportunity to win three more games and didn't come through. Crosby had a chance to win two more and didn't come through.

:)

"SlickVision" wrote:

I am totally on board with this post right here. Rodgers, while really good in his first NFL season as a starter, was not ready to lead his team back when the whole defense on the opposing team dropped back waiting to take advantage of an offense that had no legitimate running threat at all knowing we had to pass.

Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance

Zero2Cool
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#52

football is a team sport.

"AKamp74" wrote:

"4PackGirl" wrote:

And if it would have ended the discussion I would not have held up my end. I wanted to see for myself. And I strongly feel that Crosby could have won us TWO games, and didn't. I also feel Rodgers could have won us THREE games, but didn't.

I'm not saying we should cut Crosby or trade Rodgers or anything. Just calling it as I see it. What's wrong with that? I know it's a team sport. You know it's a team sport. They know, everyone knows.

Pack93z
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16 years ago

#53

Sometime last season / early offseason I went through and broke down Aaron's stats in the final five minutes of the game.. there was a notable difference in the stats.. and it really is the only aspect of Rodgers game that can be attacked at this point..

But even though I mentioned it at the time.. it is nitpicking to a certain degree.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

dhazer
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16 years ago

#54

"pack93z" wrote:

I remember seeing a game late in the year and they said his rating in the last 4 minutes was like 57.7

but i don't remember the exact number, but remember a long thread about it.
I'm thinking now that he don't have nothing for pressure he should be able to relax and just play the game and hopefully learn to just move the chains at the end of the game. I think he gets his 1st one he will be fine after that.

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)

Yerko
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16 years ago

#55

I'm not saying we should cut Crosby or trade Rodgers or anything. Just calling it as I see it. What's wrong with that? I know it's a team sport. You know it's a team sport. They know, everyone knows.

"SlickVision" wrote:

I never said you thought we should cut Crosby or trade Rodgers...I was just stating the obvious.
Not everyone knows if they are placing blame on one individual. Obviously that writer doesn't know...he blamed one of the losses on Rodgers when Crosby missed a field goal.
So no, not everyone knows.

Zero2Cool
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#56

I'm not saying we should cut Crosby or trade Rodgers or anything. Just calling it as I see it. What's wrong with that? I know it's a team sport. You know it's a team sport. They know, everyone knows.

"AKamp74" wrote:

"SlickVision" wrote:

hah damn, good point. You used what I quoted to prove me wrong, blah. How can he not know? I mean, when you look at the game, you see 22 guys on the field? How the heck can you not know it's a team sport?

Anyhow, I'm not putting the loss ON Rodgers/Crosby. I'm saying, they both had between them five potential chances to give us a win and didn't.

warhawk
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16 years ago

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Hmmmmmmm, very odd.

You could have saved all this work by just stating the obvious

Aaron is 0-8 in comeback attempts with 4:00 or less in the game.

You need not look any farther than Brett's first game to see that Brett accomplished more in 1 single 4th quarter than A-Rod has done in his career to date.

"dd80forever" wrote:

So the criteria you are using is LOSING at the 4 minute mark and coming back to win? If the team is tied or winning, it would not be considered a comeback. But the Packers were only losing at the 4:00 mark in four games?

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

You might want to check the TB game.

We were losing with 4:00 left.

The other error is the Jaguar game where they went ahead with 2:00 left and A-Rod threw an INT to end the game

"dd80forever" wrote:

This is the type of example that is just redulous in my mind because nothing is taken into consideration other than the final score.

I was at this game.

First of all the Jaguars not only came down and scored with 1:54 left they had also scored a TD the time before that so the momentum was all their way now.

We had 82 yards to go and no timeouts AND not needing a FG to win but a dang TD. Big difference.

By the time we got to the forty something yard line there was 40 something seconds to go. The Jaguars were absolutely covering the deep ball and got pressure on Arod every time he went back. If you don't believe that than just look at the play he threw the INT. The RDE was chasing Rodgers straight to the sidelines.

This game reached a point time-wise where we needed to get the ball down to the thirty or so (in otherwords a big play) and then take four shots in the endzone.

The odds of any QB winning this game were beyond pitiful and if anybody dragged up how many times somebody did, in fact, pull one off like this it would show exactly that.

Was it Arods fault we got down to the Bears TWENTY TWO freaking yard line and got a FG blocked? Was it ARods fault we got it to the FIVE yard line against Houston only to have a phantom holding call that screwed us?

Even against the Titans he throws a bomb dead on the money to Jennings and the CB grabs him on the right arm and the ball goes incomplete and that was a PERFECT throw that was LATE in the game that puts us on the twenty.

So don't anybody try to tell me Arod CAN'T do what he needs to do late in a game to win. The Jaguars game? Gimme a break. Nobody takes a team 82 yards with 1:54 and no timeouts needing a TD with the momentum on the other side of the field.

"The train is leaving the station."

dhazer
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#58

Warhawk, I don't know how old you are but there have been alot of games won like that, so you can't say noone could have done it. Elway has done it alot hell he has THE DRIVE sure it was 4:30 seconds but they ran the ball 4 of the 1st 5 plays and that started from the 2.

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)

warhawk
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#59

"dhazer" wrote:

I'm 57. I think I've seen plenty of football. My dad was a college HC and I recall him winning a game like this twice in 29 years and he retired with the second highest winning percentage in his division.

It's a one out of 20+ proposition. Period. If you want to take "nobody does it" literally fine. I'm saying if a team is in that spot they don't win.

1:54 is NOT 4:30 seconds. No timeouts is no timeouts.

Your talking about having the luxury of the option to run the football vs. a defense KNOWING you don't have time to run the football. Again. I was at the game. The Jags sent the dogs on Arod every play, kept two back deep, and guarded the sidelines.

The point I'm trying to make is needing a TD to win a game is huge over needing a FG and no timeouts with under two minutes completely limits what a team can do in that time. You can't even afford to go over the middle for the time that comes off the clock to get the ball snapped again.

If this is a scenario where Arod has the two minute warning and maybe another timeout and needs a FG to win THAT is a situation where throwing an INT is unaccpetable and where a win is at least within reason.

The Jags game? No. That would take a fluke and if you put yourself there you don't deserve to win.

"The train is leaving the station."

Nonstopdrivel
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16 years ago

#60

Dhazer, I would love to see you to come up with statistics showing how often John Elway won with less than 2:00 on the clock and no timeouts. 😃

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