3-4 vs. 4-3? NOT- Got some more numbers for you.· Page 2

evad04
Member

15 years ago

Bellicheck and the Patriots were the first to use the 1-5-5 sets, if I'm not mistaken. If you have versatile enough LBs (in the sense of being able to pass rush, shed blocks, pass cover, and tackle adequately) then this can be a fun little nickel defense. Those five LBs could go anywhere after the snap. Put it this way: it was invented to stop Peyton Manning.

That said, I don't know if we'll run it. We did run a 2-4-5 last season a few times (again, unless I'm mistaken).

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beast
Select Member

15 years ago

#12

"evad04" wrote:

I want to get as many LBers on the field as smartly possible. They seem to be pretty deep. I mean

Kampman, Poppinga and Bishop are all very good against the run.
Barnett, Chillar and Matthews are all very good against the pass.
Hawk and Thompson are very well rounded.

Rockmolder
Honored Member

14 years ago

#13

When I found this thread, I couldn't help but read through it again. It might be posted a year ago, but it's still quite a thread. Let's see how these formations look now to the new members we got and the new guys we got on defense.

It's so basic and deep at the same time.

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

14 years ago

#14

Offensive linemen are permitted to interlock legs.

Interesting. I don't know if I've ever seen such a formation before. Seems kind of risky for the linemen's knees if you ask me.

beast
Select Member

14 years ago

#15

I wonder how a Dime set with the ILB being replaced with SS would do...
the coverage should be better... if they could stop the run just as well maybe they could do it?

  

                           Collins                                            Blackmon


                               Matthews         Burnett    BigBy         Jones
    Williams                                                                                    Woodson
                                             Jenkins    Raji    Pickett

djcubez
Senior Member

14 years ago

#16

I wonder how a Dime set with the ILB being replaced with SS would do...
the coverage should be better... if they could stop the run just as well maybe they could do it?

  

                           Collins                                            Blackmon


                               Matthews         Burnett    BigBy         Jones
    Williams                                                                                    Woodson
                                             Jenkins    Raji    Pickett

"beast" wrote:

Both ILB being safetys? Hell no. Over half our players would be DB's. If they ran it, we'd be so prone to giving up the big play. RB's would probably break at least one tackle on every play against this formation lol. I wouldn't mind maybe seeing the same thing but with Burnett swapping the U for an A and Nick stepping in there. Creeping an extra safety into the box could offer a speedier blitzer or an ability to adjust and help out the passing game.

Porforis
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#17

Honestly, I see no point in even semi-regularly running any formation without a safety or with less than two linemen plus at least 3 linebackers.

Without a safety, you're just asking to give up that big play.

As for < 5 linemen/backers, way too easy for the O line to shove people around and for there to be a quick audible to a run for 4-6 yards. Also, you need some big bodies to tie up the O linemen in order for your swift, athletic types to get to the QB. And even in an extreme prevent to win situation, why wouldn't you rush at LEAST 4?

Smokey
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#18

This thread needs an update . Who is this forum's resident Professor/Coach/Guru ?

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Smokey
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#19

This thread needs an update . Who is this forum's resident Professor/Coach/Guru ?

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Originally Posted by: Smokey

Oh Beast , this thread needs to hear from you Mr. Know-it all . Dazzle us with the advantages of the 4-2 Defense !

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beast
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7 years ago

#20

This thread needs an update . Who is this forum's resident Professor/Coach/Guru ?

Originally Posted by: Smokey

Oh Beast , this thread needs to hear from you Mr. Know-it all . Dazzle us with the advantages of the 4-2 Defense !

Originally Posted by: Smokey

So you're admitting that I'm your Guru? 😱

My point is simply that all the NFL teams are getting away from BOTH the 3-4 and the 4-3, and they're all playing some form of 4-2 nickel defense about 50% of the time.

The advantages are pretty clear...

Another DB on the field for better coverage as offenses have gone to a lot more 3 WR sets and/or athletic TEs that are more like WRs than the traditional TEs
To go along with maximizing the number of pass rushers on the field, as their is two edge rushers and a 3 tech pass rushing DT.
Speed... as the extra DB is faster than who they're replacing and those pass rushers are normally faster than the run defenders

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