Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago

Donetell was Sherman's goat for the 4th and 26.

"warhawk" wrote:



Stats from that game:

Passing:
Favre: 15/28 (53.6%) for 180 yards (12.0 ypc), 2 TDs, 1 INT*, 82.4 RTG
McNabb: 21/39 (53.8%) for 248 yards (11.8 ypc), 2 TDs, 0 INT, 90.5 RTG
*The first pass of overtime.

Rushing:
Packers: 37 attempts for 210 yards (5.7 ypc) and 0 TDs
Eagles: 25 attempts for 164 yards (6.6 ypc) and 0 TDs

Total Net Yards:
Packers: 381 (5.8 ypp)
Eagles: 363 (5.0 ypp)

Defense:
Packers: 58 tackles, 8 sacks for -49 yards
Eagles: 57 tackles, 1 sack for -9.0 yards

Conclusion:

Our defense was not the problem. Nor was our running game. Nor was our offensive line.

Oh, and Donatell got the shaft.
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dd80forever
16 years ago

Donetell was Sherman's goat for the 4th and 26.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Stats from that game:

Passing:
Favre: 15/28 (53.6%) for 180 yards (12.0 ypc), 2 TDs, 1 INT*, 82.4 RTG
McNabb: 21/39 (53.8%) for 248 yards (11.8 ypc), 2 TDs, 0 INT, 90.5 RTG
*The first pass of overtime.

Rushing:
Packers: 37 attempts for 210 yards (5.7 ypc) and 0 TDs
Eagles: 25 attempts for 164 yards (6.6 ypc) and 0 TDs

Total Net Yards:
Packers: 381 (5.8 ypp)
Eagles: 363 (5.0 ypp)

Defense:
Packers: 58 tackles, 8 sacks for -49 yards
Eagles: 57 tackles, 1 sack for -9.0 yards

Conclusion:

Our defense was not the problem. Nor was our running game. Nor was our offensive line.

Oh, and Donatell got the shaft.

"warhawk" wrote:




Yes it was Brett's fault again. He couldn't cover Freddie Mitchell. He is a terrible QB. Worst QB of all time. I can't wait to see him get injured, throw 5 int. in a game. Every game we lost was because of Brett Favre. He didn't turn around the franchise. He did nothing good for GB. He lost us the Giants game. He stinks. He is awful......on and on and on. Saying Brett lost that game is bogus but don't let me stand in your way or damage your agenda
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wils0646
16 years ago

Donetell was Sherman's goat for the 4th and 26.

"dd80forever" wrote:



Stats from that game:

Passing:
Favre: 15/28 (53.6%) for 180 yards (12.0 ypc), 2 TDs, 1 INT*, 82.4 RTG
McNabb: 21/39 (53.8%) for 248 yards (11.8 ypc), 2 TDs, 0 INT, 90.5 RTG
*The first pass of overtime.

Rushing:
Packers: 37 attempts for 210 yards (5.7 ypc) and 0 TDs
Eagles: 25 attempts for 164 yards (6.6 ypc) and 0 TDs

Total Net Yards:
Packers: 381 (5.8 ypp)
Eagles: 363 (5.0 ypp)

Defense:
Packers: 58 tackles, 8 sacks for -49 yards
Eagles: 57 tackles, 1 sack for -9.0 yards

Conclusion:

Our defense was not the problem. Nor was our running game. Nor was our offensive line.

Oh, and Donatell got the shaft.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:




Yes it was Brett's fault again. He couldn't cover Freddie Mitchell. He is a terrible QB. Worst QB of all time. I can't wait to see him get injured, throw 5 int. in a game. Every game we lost was because of Brett Favre. He didn't turn around the franchise. He did nothing good for GB. He lost us the Giants game. He stinks. He is awful......on and on and on. Saying Brett lost that game is bogus but don't let me stand in your way or damage your agenda

"warhawk" wrote:



If I remember right...Favre did throw a certain INT. You have to give him some of the blame buddy. He didn't play a particularly good game, but I don't blame him completely at all. Our defense should have never given up 4th and 26.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hate that play.
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warhawk
16 years ago

DD80, you have to be kidding me. Don't compare this defense to those delapitated Sherman defenses, please I beg you. I can't take it when you do that. Last years D missed Barnett and Jenkins, because there weren't adequate replacements. Bishop wasn't ready and D-line depth was absolutely attrocious. You can blame Teddy, I don't care.

The coaches with no imagination have been replaced, and injured players are coming back. There is room for optimism, no matter how hard that is for your and Dhazr.

"dd80forever" wrote:



I don't think I was comparing the talent levels as much as Sanders being a scapegoat the same way Donatell was.

You basically said their was little depth last year, but you expected Sanders to pull a rabbit out of his hat with that "little talent".

"warhawk" wrote:



There is a big difference between donatell and Sanders. Donetell was Sherman's goat for the 4th and 26.

Sanders D blew all year long and repeatedly choked late in games. When is there difference from making the right move to improve your team and when it's a scapegoat move anyhow?

One way you can tell is Donetell was on a plane like the next day getting hired by Atlanta and Sanders was immediately picked up by who again?

Same with Sherman. He went like 0-15 getting a HC job out of anybody in the NFL so was he some sort of scapegoat or was it the right move to get him out of GB?

Just like good players if your a good coach it won't take long to end up somewhere and when they don't it tells you all you need to know.

"dd80forever" wrote:




Actually Sanders is in Buffalo as the D-Line coach and Donatell just got the boot from the Huskies.

AS far as Sherman, he moved on to Houston for 2 years after he left GB. It's similar to Capers who couldn't get a Head coaching gig either after his failures.[/quot}

"DakotaT" wrote:



Capers failure to be a HC does not make him a failure at DC. You can't blame the guy for wanting to take a shot at it. It's not like he got the HC job of the Green Bay Packers with Brett Favre in his prime and a loaded offense. The Texans didn't have a winning record forever.

At least Capers has no problem keeping his place no lower than DC which is what he is anyhow.

What's Sherman up to these days?
"The train is leaving the station."
longtimefan
16 years ago

Donetell was Sherman's goat for the 4th and 26.

"dd80forever" wrote:



Stats from that game:

Passing:
Favre: 15/28 (53.6%) for 180 yards (12.0 ypc), 2 TDs, 1 INT*, 82.4 RTG
McNabb: 21/39 (53.8%) for 248 yards (11.8 ypc), 2 TDs, 0 INT, 90.5 RTG
*The first pass of overtime.

Rushing:
Packers: 37 attempts for 210 yards (5.7 ypc) and 0 TDs
Eagles: 25 attempts for 164 yards (6.6 ypc) and 0 TDs

Total Net Yards:
Packers: 381 (5.8 ypp)
Eagles: 363 (5.0 ypp)

Defense:
Packers: 58 tackles, 8 sacks for -49 yards
Eagles: 57 tackles, 1 sack for -9.0 yards

Conclusion:

Our defense was not the problem. Nor was our running game. Nor was our offensive line.

Oh, and Donatell got the shaft.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:




Yes it was Brett's fault again. He couldn't cover Freddie Mitchell. He is a terrible QB. Worst QB of all time. I can't wait to see him get injured, throw 5 int. in a game. Every game we lost was because of Brett Favre. He didn't turn around the franchise. He did nothing good for GB. He lost us the Giants game. He stinks. He is awful......on and on and on. Saying Brett lost that game is bogus but don't let me stand in your way or damage your agenda

"warhawk" wrote:



just maybe he is laying blame for that game on Sherman?

I would
Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago
Funny you should mention the Giants game, because I was just looking at the statistics.

At first the numbers don't look that bad:

Favre: 19/35 (54.3%) for 236 yards (12.4 ypc), 2 TDs and 2 INTs (70.7 RTG).

But those numbers are deceiving.

For one thing, 90 of those yards came on a single play -- a touchdown pass to Donald Driver.

That means that for the rest of the way, Favre was 18/34 (52.9%) for 146 yards (8.1 ypc), 1 TD, and 2 INTs . . .

. . . for an impeccable 49.38 quarterback rating.

The news gets worse.

In the 4th quarter and overtime, Favre was 4/10 (40%) for 32 yards (8.0 ypc), 0 TD, and 2 INTs . . .

. . . an abysmal 9.17 quarterback rating.

People tend to focus on that last interception -- I know I have in the past -- but they completely fail to see how absolutely absent our offensive performance was in the 4th quarter. It was simply inexcusable.

I place the majority of the blame on Mike McCarthy for abandoning the run so early. I know it chafed me the entire game that they were ignoring the run. There is no reason that as the weather worsened that afternoon, they didn't continue to try to grind it out on the ground. To only net 28 rushing yards on 14 attempts (13 by Grant, 1 by Favre -- where the hell was Brandon Jackson?) is an unconscionable, colossal collapse. We only attempted 2 runs the entire 4th quarter, and those two came at the end of the drive that had carried over from the 3rd quarter.

But it cannot be denied that the quarterback had to shoulder a fair share of that blame too. Throwing an interception on the second play of overtime, with 14:13 remaining on the overtime clock, on a run call . . . why?

It still makes me want to spit.

This entire discussion is completely off topic, though.
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Pack93z
16 years ago
To be fair in that Giants game, they owned the matchup between our offensive line and their defensive line.. people point at Harris getting owned in that game... which he did, but no worse than the beating we took up front.

We couldn't run the freaking ball to save our ass and in the bitter cold neither passing game did much other than the lobs into Plax.

Honestly.. between the kicking we took on the offensive line and the inability for Sanders to adjust cost us that game..

Did Brett's heave help.. nope.. but my goodness we got owned by that defense that day.. hence why I have issues to this day with our offensive line staff and players manning it.. absolutely stoned that day.
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warhawk
16 years ago

To be fair in that Giants game, they owned the matchup between our offensive line and their defensive line.. people point at Harris getting owned in that game... which he did, but no worse than the beating we took up front.

We couldn't run the freaking ball to save our ass and in the bitter cold neither passing game did much other than the lobs into Plax.

Honestly.. between the kicking we took on the offensive line and the inability for Sanders to adjust cost us that game..

Did Brett's heave help.. nope.. but my goodness we got owned by that defense that day.. hence why I have issues to this day with our offensive line staff and players manning it.. absolutely stoned that day.

"pack93z" wrote:



Well, 93 that's not exactly big news since NY tore every offensive line a new butt for the last six or seven games of that season. Including kicking Brady's ass all over the field in the SB.

It was their time and nobody was going to stop them.

The weather had a lot to do with the overall effectiveness of our offense that day. We could run about half the pass patterns we normally could have put in there and forget stretching the field. We needed our offense a little more than they did with them being stronger on the D side of the ball.

It's the cards that were dealt but the weather that day gave them the better first five cards out of the shute based on how the two teams were built.
"The train is leaving the station."
dingus
16 years ago
Check out some of those "lobs in to Plax", there were a few beautiful throws made by Eli, and some great catches by Toomer and Plax. Eli had a better game.
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doddpower
16 years ago

Check out some of those "lobs in to Plax", there were a few beautiful throws made by Eli, and some great catches by Toomer and Plax. Eli had a better game.

"dingus" wrote:



I agree. Burress was definitely making plays, but Eli was playing at a high level that game by putting the ball where Burress could make a play.


Not trashing Favre, AT ALL, and not forgetting the other people on the offensive, but Eli out played him that game.

Hey, it happens sometimes.
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