porky88
15 years ago

I think the Bears could win the division because of Cutler and Forte, but No. 4 is obsurb.

"porky88" wrote:



Quoting myself here because I re-read this.

I'd also add Lovie Smith to one of the reasons why Chicago could win the North this year.

Beyond that though not big on a team that overachieved a year ago.
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Rockmolder
15 years ago

I agree with the article but I wouldn't expect it would go over well on a Packers site

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"Negative Nelly" strikes again!!!

Just when we thought it was safe to enter a thread........."NEGATIVE NELLY is there to SAVE THE DAY! Peeing on our charcoal, so we NEVER have to worry about wild fires!
Raining on our parade, just to make SURE we don't get sun burned!!!

"Who WAS that masked man???? And WHY did he pee all over my charcoal???"

"Don't you KNOW!?!? That was "NEGATIVE NELLY!" He comes out to make SURE that NO positive thoughts might enter your Packer fan brain! THANK YOU NEGATIVE NELLY FOR MAKING US PROPERLY DREAD THE UPCOMING PACKER SEASON!!!"

(just messin' with ya DD80!!! All in jest!) :thumbleft:

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This is one of the funnier things I've read since joining the forum. +1
Dulak
15 years ago
I agree with most rankings of the teams except for a few ... ravens I would of ranked higher ... chicago (obviously) was ranked too high.

They give too much weight to their previous SB run and the fact they got cutler. The bears is alot different then denver; receivers and Oline ... I think cutler is going to have a harder time there.

IMO GB's # is fine where it's at but I have a feeling that we will give the NFC a run for their money. With all the additions and changes.

oh I would of dropped dallas down a bit and houstan is up too high GB shoulder be higher then them. I also have a feeling well beat out atlanta this year. So GB shoulder of been rated 11 or 12 on this chart IMO.
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15 years ago
Check out page 7 of this thread...

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You have to respect fans that can objectively look at a question, beyond the color of team shades and seek out the truth. Mr. Anderson argued the point to a tee on the Cutler vs Rodgers discussion, far better than I could have. Props.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
So, I can go to that website, but I can't download free fonts for our Zebra printer. Interesting.
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Dulak
15 years ago

Check out page 7 of this thread...

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You have to respect fans that can objectively look at a question, beyond the color of team shades and seek out the truth. Mr. Anderson argued the point to a tee on the Cutler vs Rodgers discussion, far better than I could have. Props.

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"Cutler out-threw Rodgers by 500 yards on 80 more attempts.
Rodgers yardage per completion was higher.
Rodgers completion percentage was higher.
Rodgers threw more touchdowns.
Rodgers threw less interceptions.
Rodgers had a higher passer rating.
Rodgers out-performed him in these ways all while being sacked three times as much, so presumably, he faced greater defensive pressure.

What exactly defines prolificacy?"

haha ya I remember seeing these #'s before ... I especially like the stat of how much more rodgers got sacked then cutler (well I dont like it for our QB) but it just shows you. I woudl really like our Oline to improve this year.

I can dream about much bigger #'s then 🙂
porky88
15 years ago
Cutler and Rodgers are actually back to back in my QB rankings.

I actually prefer Rodgers slightly more because I think he's got a better attitude and a "moxy" about him that a lot of the great ones have. A quiet cool so to speak.

I never saw that in Cutler.

I think people overestimate Chicago quite a bit.

For example, Matt Forte who has become a very big time back in many people's eyes put up basically the same numbers as Ryan Grant did last year. Both averaged about 3.9 yards a carry. Forte is a little more versatile, but when it came to running, both were about equal.

Yet Grant is viewed as a disappointment by many people including Packer fans and Forte is being touted as the next great Chicago back. The best one since arguably Walter Payton.

I don't get that and I bet if you look at a lot of rankings for backs in the game today, Forte is ahead of Grant by a lot. No way does catching the ball out of the backfield justify that in my view.

Much like some people put Cutler between 5 and 10 in the best QB's in the game today and Rodgers is quite away behind.

It makes little sense and it wreaks of big city bias if you ask me.
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dd80forever
15 years ago

Cutler and Rodgers are actually back to back in my QB rankings.

I actually prefer Rodgers slightly more because I think he's got a better attitude and a "moxy" about him that a lot of the great ones have. A quiet cool so to speak.

I never saw that in Cutler.

I think people overestimate Chicago quite a bit.

For example, Matt Forte who has become a very big time back in many people's eyes put up basically the same numbers as Ryan Grant did last year. Both averaged about 3.9 yards a carry. Forte is a little more versatile, but when it came to running, both were about equal.

Yet Grant is viewed as a disappointment by many people including Packer fans and Forte is being touted as the next great Chicago back. The best one since arguably Walter Payton.

I don't get that and I bet if you look at a lot of rankings for backs in the game today, Forte is ahead of Grant by a lot. No way does catching the ball out of the backfield justify that in my view.

Much like some people put Cutler between 5 and 10 in the best QB's in the game today and Rodgers is quite away behind.

It makes little sense and it wreaks of big city bias if you ask me.

"porky88" wrote:



You also might want to factor in that Forte was basically placed in a one dimensional offense because of terrible QB play whereas GB has a good set of WR's. Grant should put Forte to shame in this scenario.
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ILikeThePackers39
15 years ago

Cutler and Rodgers are actually back to back in my QB rankings.

I actually prefer Rodgers slightly more because I think he's got a better attitude and a "moxy" about him that a lot of the great ones have. A quiet cool so to speak.

I never saw that in Cutler.

I think people overestimate Chicago quite a bit.

For example, Matt Forte who has become a very big time back in many people's eyes put up basically the same numbers as Ryan Grant did last year. Both averaged about 3.9 yards a carry. Forte is a little more versatile, but when it came to running, both were about equal.

Yet Grant is viewed as a disappointment by many people including Packer fans and Forte is being touted as the next great Chicago back. The best one since arguably Walter Payton.

I don't get that and I bet if you look at a lot of rankings for backs in the game today, Forte is ahead of Grant by a lot. No way does catching the ball out of the backfield justify that in my view.

Much like some people put Cutler between 5 and 10 in the best QB's in the game today and Rodgers is quite away behind.

It makes little sense and it wreaks of big city bias if you ask me.

"porky88" wrote:




Agreed 100% on Forte, at least to this point. Part of it is that Chicago fans are almost more hungry for the next Payton than they are for a real QB - they've gone through a LONG list of backs trying to find another Sweetness.

But while I do like the kid and his upside, I think it's interesting how much run he gets after one reasonably good year. If we were praising a similar player on the Pack's roster (perhaps the QB?), those same people would start with the "You can't say anything after only one year!" objections.

It would appear that those same folks who are so sour on our own roster are a bit overly-appreciative of the players on our competitors' squads. Interesting.
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ILikeThePackers39
15 years ago

Cutler and Rodgers are actually back to back in my QB rankings.

I actually prefer Rodgers slightly more because I think he's got a better attitude and a "moxy" about him that a lot of the great ones have. A quiet cool so to speak.

I never saw that in Cutler.

I think people overestimate Chicago quite a bit.

For example, Matt Forte who has become a very big time back in many people's eyes put up basically the same numbers as Ryan Grant did last year. Both averaged about 3.9 yards a carry. Forte is a little more versatile, but when it came to running, both were about equal.

Yet Grant is viewed as a disappointment by many people including Packer fans and Forte is being touted as the next great Chicago back. The best one since arguably Walter Payton.

I don't get that and I bet if you look at a lot of rankings for backs in the game today, Forte is ahead of Grant by a lot. No way does catching the ball out of the backfield justify that in my view.

Much like some people put Cutler between 5 and 10 in the best QB's in the game today and Rodgers is quite away behind.

It makes little sense and it wreaks of big city bias if you ask me.

"dd80forever" wrote:



You also might want to factor in that Forte was basically placed in a one dimensional offense because of terrible QB play whereas GB has a good set of WR's. Grant should put Forte to shame in this scenario.

"porky88" wrote:




Out of nothing but simple curiosity (stick a needle in my eye, honest), is there a reason you'll bend over backwards to defend a rookie RB for the Bears but don't seem nearly as inclined to give some players on the Packers' roster the same consideration?

You couldn't even give Rodgers a wee prop, up there - it's our "good set of WRs" that accounts for the balance that Grant should have been feasting on.
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