Zero2Cool
15 years ago
Orton was not terrible. He played fairly well considering his weapons at WR.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
I've never understood why Orton was benched for Sexy Rexy. Even his first season of play, I saw a lot of potential in him. He wasn't glitzy, but he was cool, calm, collected and even impressive at times.

Reminds me of someone else.
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dd80forever
15 years ago

Cutler and Rodgers are actually back to back in my QB rankings.

I actually prefer Rodgers slightly more because I think he's got a better attitude and a "moxy" about him that a lot of the great ones have. A quiet cool so to speak.

I never saw that in Cutler.

I think people overestimate Chicago quite a bit.

For example, Matt Forte who has become a very big time back in many people's eyes put up basically the same numbers as Ryan Grant did last year. Both averaged about 3.9 yards a carry. Forte is a little more versatile, but when it came to running, both were about equal.

Yet Grant is viewed as a disappointment by many people including Packer fans and Forte is being touted as the next great Chicago back. The best one since arguably Walter Payton.

I don't get that and I bet if you look at a lot of rankings for backs in the game today, Forte is ahead of Grant by a lot. No way does catching the ball out of the backfield justify that in my view.

Much like some people put Cutler between 5 and 10 in the best QB's in the game today and Rodgers is quite away behind.

It makes little sense and it wreaks of big city bias if you ask me.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



You also might want to factor in that Forte was basically placed in a one dimensional offense because of terrible QB play whereas GB has a good set of WR's. Grant should put Forte to shame in this scenario.

"dd80forever" wrote:




Out of nothing but simple curiosity (stick a needle in my eye, honest), is there a reason you'll bend over backwards to defend a rookie RB for the Bears but don't seem nearly as inclined to give some players on the Packers' roster the same consideration?

You couldn't even give Rodgers a wee prop, up there - it's our "good set of WRs" that accounts for the balance that Grant should have been feasting on.

"porky88" wrote:



I was just just pointing out a fact, shoot me.

I love A-Rod, he will be a hall-of-famer and Brett sucks.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
Yet, you dodged my statement, again! I'm starting to think you just don't like me man. Screw this, I'm taking my balls and going home! I'm not playing with you anymore!
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ILikeThePackers39
15 years ago

Cutler and Rodgers are actually back to back in my QB rankings.

I actually prefer Rodgers slightly more because I think he's got a better attitude and a "moxy" about him that a lot of the great ones have. A quiet cool so to speak.

I never saw that in Cutler.

I think people overestimate Chicago quite a bit.

For example, Matt Forte who has become a very big time back in many people's eyes put up basically the same numbers as Ryan Grant did last year. Both averaged about 3.9 yards a carry. Forte is a little more versatile, but when it came to running, both were about equal.

Yet Grant is viewed as a disappointment by many people including Packer fans and Forte is being touted as the next great Chicago back. The best one since arguably Walter Payton.

I don't get that and I bet if you look at a lot of rankings for backs in the game today, Forte is ahead of Grant by a lot. No way does catching the ball out of the backfield justify that in my view.

Much like some people put Cutler between 5 and 10 in the best QB's in the game today and Rodgers is quite away behind.

It makes little sense and it wreaks of big city bias if you ask me.

"dd80forever" wrote:



You also might want to factor in that Forte was basically placed in a one dimensional offense because of terrible QB play whereas GB has a good set of WR's. Grant should put Forte to shame in this scenario.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:




Out of nothing but simple curiosity (stick a needle in my eye, honest), is there a reason you'll bend over backwards to defend a rookie RB for the Bears but don't seem nearly as inclined to give some players on the Packers' roster the same consideration?

You couldn't even give Rodgers a wee prop, up there - it's our "good set of WRs" that accounts for the balance that Grant should have been feasting on.

"dd80forever" wrote:



I was just just pointing out a fact, shoot me.

I love A-Rod, he will be a hall-of-famer and Brett sucks.

"porky88" wrote:




Yeah, and I was just asking a question. I'll pass on shooting you, thanks.

Look - you clearly know that you're taking a contrarian view when it comes to Thompson, versus the general consensus on this particular forum. Why let that bother you so much?

And I didn't say Rodgers would be in the HOF. Criminy. I simply wondered why you would put forth the effort to defend some other team's RB (who I agreed was good) and in the same breath you ignore the starting QB for the team you root for, who ALSO had a good year. I get that you don't like Thompson, but other than not being freaking PERFECT his first year starting, what could you possibly have against Rodgers, other than he's not Favre?

Seriously, would the Thompson Haters and Favre Lovers prefer it if those of us who don't fit in their camps just shut up so y'all can bash away at each other in peace?
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago

Seriously, would the Thompson Haters and Favre Lovers prefer it if those of us who don't fit in their camps just shut up so y'all can bash away at each other in peace?

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



This is humorous. dd80forever asked me an almost identical question in another thread. Of course I wasn't advocating that Ted Thompson detractors shut up. I was simply asking that they be rational and back up their senseless claims with facts, which they never seem able to. It's not like I'm a rabid Ted Thompson supporter myself; I have my own criticisms and I express them. But I'm willing to give any man his due.
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Cheesey
15 years ago

Cutler and Rodgers are actually back to back in my QB rankings.

I actually prefer Rodgers slightly more because I think he's got a better attitude and a "moxy" about him that a lot of the great ones have. A quiet cool so to speak.

I never saw that in Cutler.

I think people overestimate Chicago quite a bit.

For example, Matt Forte who has become a very big time back in many people's eyes put up basically the same numbers as Ryan Grant did last year. Both averaged about 3.9 yards a carry. Forte is a little more versatile, but when it came to running, both were about equal.

Yet Grant is viewed as a disappointment by many people including Packer fans and Forte is being touted as the next great Chicago back. The best one since arguably Walter Payton.

I don't get that and I bet if you look at a lot of rankings for backs in the game today, Forte is ahead of Grant by a lot. No way does catching the ball out of the backfield justify that in my view.

Much like some people put Cutler between 5 and 10 in the best QB's in the game today and Rodgers is quite away behind.

It makes little sense and it wreaks of big city bias if you ask me.

"dd80forever" wrote:



You also might want to factor in that Forte was basically placed in a one dimensional offense because of terrible QB play whereas GB has a good set of WR's. Grant should put Forte to shame in this scenario.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:




Out of nothing but simple curiosity (stick a needle in my eye, honest), is there a reason you'll bend over backwards to defend a rookie RB for the Bears but don't seem nearly as inclined to give some players on the Packers' roster the same consideration?

You couldn't even give Rodgers a wee prop, up there - it's our "good set of WRs" that accounts for the balance that Grant should have been feasting on.

"dd80forever" wrote:



I was just just pointing out a fact, shoot me.

I love A-Rod, he will be a hall-of-famer and Brett sucks.

"porky88" wrote:


See?
Thats exactly where you lose everyone.
You have NO BALANCE.
You can't accept ANYONE that doesn't have the last name FAVRE as a decent QB.
Do you think that saying we think AR is good mean that we also are saying BF sucks? Did ANYONE here say that???
Nope.
The fact is that BF isn't "our" QB anymore, and alot of us see AR as being pretty darn good. If you look around the NFC North, look at how many QB's each team has gone through, and they STILL don't have one as good as AR. The Vikings, Bears, and Lions have been through QB after QB, and still don't have anyone as good as the starter we have now.
Will Cutler be any good? I don't think he's gonna be as great as some think. After all, he didn't have a winning record in Denver, did he? Didn't think so. Yet he's the best thing since sliced bread.

So you jump on anyone that DARES to say that AR looks to be a decent QB. I think for his 1st season behind center, he did a darn good job.
I guess in your eyes that automatically means i HATE BF. (Which i don't, of course)
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dd80forever
15 years ago



This is humorous. dd80forever asked me an almost identical question in another thread. Of course I wasn't advocating that Ted Thompson detractors shut up. I was simply asking that they be rational and back up their senseless claims with facts, which they never seem able to. It's not like I'm a rabid Ted Thompson supporter myself; I have my own criticisms and I express them. But I'm willing to give any man his due.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:




I have stated over and over again why I dislike Thompson. Yet here we go again with the "Not able to do so" thing.

I can't read it for you, sorry. Just go ahead and continue on your rant.
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dd80forever
15 years ago
Maybe this will help, though somehow I doubt it

That's a good start. The O-line that he hasn't been able to rebuild in 4 years, despite burning draft picks on it.

Releasing John Ryan for Derrick Frost

Starting Brady Poppinga at the weak side year after year

Drafting Justin Harrell and then thinking he was ready to replace Corey Williams.

The Brett fiasco.

Releasing Vonta Leach when Koren Robinson was ready to come back. We groomed Vonta to replace Hendo, then cut him for a 5th reciever.

His approach to building a team in general. I'm not asking to be the Redskins but adding a piece to improve us isn't going to break the bank. He believes too much in his own guys, see Colledge and Poppinga.

There are a few examples.

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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
o_O I already countered all those points or agreed. nExT!!!
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