The point is the collective weight of those points you mentioned doesn't warrant the level of vitriol you spew against him.

You rail against the offensive line situation, yet we were a top-5 offense last year. Either the offensive line isn't all that bad, or Rodgers is an incredible quarterback. You can't have it both ways.

Vonta Leach? What has he done since he was released? The guy has 3 rushing yards, 291 receiving yards, and 3 receiving TDs in 6 years. Sure, he may be a good run blocker, but it's not like he helped keep his QB in Houston from being one of the most sacked QBs in the league year in and year out.

The Williams situation has been debunked to death. He wasn't going to stay on the Packers and he's done nothing since he left.

Jon Ryan consistently ranks in the top 10 in yardage (though not in net yardage), yet he's also one of the most-blocked punters in the league. So it's a mixed bag.

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That would be correct if teams didn't stack the box against the Packers. The only team that didn't was Minnesota because they don't need to with the talent they have at stopping the run.

Both backs faced teams who stacked the box. Part of the reason why Rodgers did put up as good as numbers as he did was because teams put a bigger emphasis on stopping Grant.

Rodgers has a couple of games and specifically Tennessee where he benefited from the isolated defensive backs facing Green Bay's receivers. The Titans are one example of a team who focused on stopping the run.

Dallas is another. I was at that game and Dallas put a big emphasis on stopping Ryan Grant. They made sure he was not going to get going.

The week before the Lions did as well. Pretty much because they didn't want to get embarrassed again by another back due to Michael Turner putting up 200 on them in week one.

Atlanta and Tampa Bay are two more teams that did this.

Don't get me wrong, I'd take Forte over Grant mostly because Forte is an every down player, but I think putting Forte in the upper echelon of backs is a joke and some have gone out of there way to try and make that point.

3.9 yards per carry doesn't make you the next Walter Payton or an elite back at all. It doesn't for Grant, but then again nobody is making him out to be something that he's not.

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That is your opinion, sir. I was responding to your post about me having no reason to dislike him.

The problem is because you think these points are not valid, that I should just say "Nonstop is right. I like him now".

If those things don't bother you, fine. However, they bother me to a great degree. We were 6-10 last year. Whether out Offense was a top offense in the league means nothing. We had to keep extra guys in to help protect A-Rod last year, the O-line is far from fixed.

I've stated my opinion 100 times over on Williams thing you are so proudly stating you have Debunked. Before you start pounding your chest, realize my problem was not that we let Williams go, but the fact we tried to use Jamal Bustin Mandarich Harrell to replace him. Are you saying Ted did a good job handling the D-Line situation? Now get out the ........"Ted not perfect"..... "It's not his fault" ...... "Sanders is gone"...... line of garbage.

Ryan is better than Derrick Frost any day of the week and stating Ryan gets more punts blocked than Frost is a bogus argument and is grasping for straws.

You talk about Vonta Leach's stats but forgot to mention what the stats for Koren Robinson were. Vonta was a hell of a blocker. Pointing to a FB's stats as validation is laughable though, I must admit. Where's Koren these days? He was definitly "Packer People".

The point is because you give ted a mulligan for these things, I do not, and I haven't even touched the Favre fiasco, but don't run around here doing cartwheels repeating your worn-out rhetoric about me "having no reason to dislike him" thing, when I have laid out a list for you.

Wouldn't it be nice if Ted just won football games, so you could point to that as validation instead of scraping the bottom of the barrel for "Punts Blocked" stats. Your neverending defending of him could be easily back-up with a Super Bowl appearence if he had one. I think that would be great as well.

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Well that's an interesting thing to say. If it is then the case that the performance of the offense is immaterial considering the record, how does one delineate the collective faults of the team that rendered us 6-10 for the season? If you can say, Jon Ryan's release and his replacement were clearly a mistake by Thompson which in turn was one reason among many which caused the Packers to fall to 6-10, then why is it not reasonable to say however that the offense of the Packers performed well for the season, and some aspect of the coaching team should be congratulated for that? Why is it that the negative means something but the positive does not?

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I'm trying to decipher this. You want me to congratulate the coaching staff on assembling an offense with good stats?

Ok, Good Job Staff!

And while I'm at it......

Good Job Ted Thompson for giving us alot of Cap Space!

and Good Job A-Rod for not throwing a pletora of INT'S!

and Good Job A-Rod for growing that ultra-hip stache

and Good Job to all the Packers for doing charity work!


.........................................................Now, can we PLEASE win some football games

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The Bears defense faultered in 2007 due mainly to injuries. They had lost 5 defensive starters by about the 4th week of that season(nearly half the starting defense!) that'll kill any teams defense as well as having the defense on the field the whole time because their offense was a joke in 07 and 08(other than Forte maybe). In 08 the defense was a top 5 unit against the run but the secondary got killed due to the fact that they didn't have any sort of pass rush so opposing QBs had all day to pick them apart (see Griese and his 67 pass attempts against them). I think the Bears defensive secondary and front four will be much improved from last season maybe not 05-06 form, but much improved. I think the Packers defense will suffer growing pains from the switchover to the 3-4 but will eventually be really good. Minny's defense will not be as good when the steroid brothers miss their 4 games. Detroit......can they get any worse?

Oh yeah, and yes, I think the Bears are ranked too high.

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