Mucky Tundra
a year ago

In the annals of Tennessee Titans history, former left tackle Andre Dillard will go down as one of the very worst free-agent signings the franchise has ever made.Dillard was signed to a three-year, $29 million deal last offseason to be the left tackle, but things went as badly as one could imagine. …

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I really hope he was signed for the minimum
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Martha Careful
a year ago
further, I hope this is a pre-draft head fake, falsely signaling a diminished desire to draft a top rated tackle
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a year ago

further, I hope this is a pre-draft head fake, falsely signaling a diminished desire to draft a top rated tackle

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 



I don't think this is a draft fake out but more in line with their strategy of finding guys with elite measureables at OT but hasn't translated for whatever reason. That's what they've done with Nijman, Walker and Caleb Jones. The difference with Dillard is the stink of his previous NFL performances vs GB snagging the other guys coming out of college.

With regards to the draft, I think this just means if they miss on a day 3 OT project they'll still have someone to work on.
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I really hope he was signed for the minimum

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 


If it's not, you'll consider starting a fire Gute webpage after seeing this video (posted below)...

Though I'd add, the amount doesn't matter until he makes the roster, as long as it is not guaranteed... though knowing the Packers, they probably have some work out bonus in there.

Dillard is at LT, some of these look like unforced errors, that the DL has to do very little, it more more Dillard screwing up.

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a year ago

If it's not, you'll consider starting a fire Gute webpage after seeing this video (posted below)...

Though I'd add, the amount doesn't matter until he makes the roster, as long as it is not guaranteed... though knowing the Packers, they probably have some work out bonus in there.

Dillard is at LT, some of these look like unforced errors, that the DL has to do very little, it more more Dillard screwing up.


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If Jordan Love takes one snap with Dilllard in at LT this season, forgot fire Gute, I'm starting a petition to fire Gute into the sun. I'm not sure I even want Clifford back there in preseason with this guy.
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Martha Careful
a year ago
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!!!! Oh my....this is really awful..

As Dillard illustrates, I content that RAS is overrated. "Ready, set, go, the do a pre-assigned task" is not football. Ready-set-react then do something predicated on what has happened is a much better measure. The body cannot quickly when the brain reacts slowly.
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a year ago
Mark Murphy and Russ Ball need to take Gute to the Oval Office gentleman's club on main street in Green Bay for an intervention. Gute has very obviously blown a gasket, and he needs to be handed a suitcase of ones in order to evaluate the talent there for awhile. If he runs low, Mark can send Russ out to the bank to replenish the supply while continuing to try to talk some sense into the man.
I'm not an accountant, but I beleive the Packers could defend the expenditure as a tax deductable business expense with the IRS, though procuring a receipt in such an establishment could prove to be a bit awkward.
Martha Careful
a year ago
I was kind of hopeful they were thinking of him at guard, but his run blocking is apparently "piss poor" (to tie in a Zero2Cool thread). The following was from a Titan analyst at his signing with Tennessee...so the Pass Blocking and Technique strengths are no longer valid.


Strengths:

  • Athleticism: Dillard is a very athletic offensive tackle who moves well for his size. He has quick feet and can mirror defenders in pass protection.
  • Pass blocking: Dillard is a strong pass blocker who uses his quick feet and athleticism to protect the quarterback's blindside. He has good hand placement and can anchor against bull rushes from defenders.
  • Technique: Dillard has good technique and is fundamentally sound in his pass sets. He has quick hands and can punch defenders to disrupt their timing.

    • Weaknesses:
  • Run blocking: While Dillard is a strong pass blocker, he has struggled with run blocking in the NFL. He can struggle to generate movement at the point of attack and can get pushed back by stronger defenders.
  • Strength: Dillard has good athleticism and technique, but he can struggle with strength and power. He needs to get stronger in order to hold up against the stronger defenders in the NFL.
    • [*]Injuries: Dillard has been plagued by injuries during his time in the NFL, which has limited his playing time and development. He needs to stay healthy in order to reach his full potential.

    In short...this signing is a real head scratcher.
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    Zero2Cool
    a year ago
    I think folks are really over reacting to this signing. It's one of 90, not one of 53 on a 3 year guaranteed contract.

    This is nothing more than a body. It's something the Packers have done routinely.
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    Martha Careful
    a year ago

    I think folks are really over reacting to this signing. It's one of 90, not one of 53 on a 3 year guaranteed contract.

    This is nothing more than a body. It's something the Packers have done routinely.

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

    I hope so....what are his contract terms?
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    I hope so....what are his contract terms?

    Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 



    We don't know yet. Every dime over a league minimum non-guaranteed contract you are going to hear about it in a not nice way from this fan.
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    Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!!!! Oh my....this is really awful..

    As Dillard illustrates, I content that RAS is overrated. "Ready, set, go, the do a pre-assigned task" is not football. Ready-set-react then do something predicated on what has happened is a much better measure. The body cannot quickly when the brain reacts slowly.

    Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 



    RAS just tells you how high your athletic potential is, and while the Packers seem to use something similar to it, that's for the more athletic positions, the Packers results clearly show they rely on it less for linemen and the more contact positions (even most of Gute's early TEs had a much lower RAS score, which confused me as they clearly weren't blockers either).

    Also I think the bigger lesson is don't draft OL high in the draft that are from Air Raid offenses, the Air Raid offenses notoriously don't teach the OL NFL techniques... they have 3 run calls (left, straight, right) and their pass blocking is to back up and die slowly, giving zero changes of winning, it's just that you aren't allowing the defender to win either, and you're taking that tie every pass blocking snap.

    And some of those plays, it simple looks like Dillard doesn't know the snap count, or simply is not running the same blocking call as his LG, and they have zero chance with not being on the same mental page.

    As far as his contract, the only detail I've seen so far, is someone supposedly quoting Gute, saying it's a one year deal.
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    Mucky Tundra
    a year ago

    I think folks are really over reacting to this signing. It's one of 90, not one of 53 on a 3 year guaranteed contract.

    This is nothing more than a body. It's something the Packers have done routinely.

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



    I thought the same thing as well when I saw the initial reaction online. "Oh he's just a camp body, he's low risk/high reward, they liked him before the 2019 draft" etc. I thought the same even as I read beasts first post in this thread...and then I watched the video in the embedded tweet.
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    I am hoping that they signed him to a Veteran Salary Benefit contract (VSB).
    If we see a signing bonus of $167,500, that is what they did. A VSB pays a veteran with at least 4 years of service a set base of the league minimum for a veteran with only 2 years of service, and a set bonus of 167,500. In this case. 1,152,500 total. They are one year contracts. If cut, the team is out the 167,500. The rationale for VSB is that it incentivises teams to sign a vet player (probably) heading out of the league to like the CFL or retirement over a rookie or younger but possibly developing player. As an aside, we could also consider offering one to Bahk with whatever NLTBE incentives the team and his agent could mutually come up with. He would be eligible for practically anything. NLTBE is not likely to be earned. e.g- snaps played. It is strictly based on last years performance, so in Bahks case, he could have that incentive with a very low bar for approval by the league as a NLTBE vs. LTBE. NLTBE doesn't count against this year's cap. LTBE does. (Likely to be earned). If we are hit with a 2025 cap hit, it means he played. (Baby! The surgery worked this time!) Food for thought outside bitching about the new guy.
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    Martha Careful
    a year ago
    Rob Demovsky reported:

    On the day of the draft, we got some confirmation on that front. ESPN’s Rob Demovsky reported that Dillard did not receive a single dollar of guaranteed money, either in the form of a salary or a signing bonus. Essentially, Dillard must earn every dollar that he’s scheduled to make from his one-year deal. On top of that, if Dillard does make the 53-man roster his salary for this season will be just $1.125 million — the minimum for a veteran with his amount of experience.

    Let the record show Zero2Cool was correct
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    Mucky Tundra
    a year ago

    Rob Demovsky reported:
    Let the record show Zero2Cool was correct

    Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 



    Never thought I'd hear that on a day that the Draft was occurring ! 😉
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    I'm proud of both Gute and Zero. They were both even cheaper than me with my hoped for VSB contract plan. Saved the 167,500 if cut, and a 27,500 net difference if he does make the team.
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    Zero2Cool
    a year ago
    2018: Sign Tramon & House - Draft Jaire & Jackson 1st & 2nd round
    2019: Sign Smith Bros, Amos, Turner - Draft Gary, Savage, Jenkins 1st & 2nd rounds.
    2020: Sign Wagner - Draft 3 OL (Jordan Love year)

    2021 - 2023: Cap hell - free agency wasn't a thing, still:

    2021: Sign King, Sullivan, Douglas - Draft Stokes 1st round
    2022: Sign Campbell & Reed - Draft Walker & Wyatt 1st round
    2023: Largest FA contract was a long snapper who didn't make the initial 53 - Drafted 3 WR, 2 TE, 2 DL, 2 DB as their biggest needs.

    2024: Biggest FA additions are McKinney (S), Jacobs (RB), and Dillard (OT). If we follow the patterns here I suspect Brian Gutekunst is looking to invest his 1st round pick at Safety or Offensive Line.
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