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5 months ago

Saw a blurb before season that Stokes poor performance before his season ending injury last year had a lot to do with scheme. In man to man he was lights out. In zone he was getting cooked. Guess what coverage the defense was playing 67-75% of the time during games last year?

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 



One player in 2022 doesn't define an entire team in 2023. I don't have access to the data but I have heard people say that PFF and other sources have stated the Packers defense in zone coverage is a lot better than in man coverage.
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Zero2Cool
5 months ago
When Packers are aggressive and in man coverage, it's good things. When they are more passive and in man coverage, they get abused.
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beast
5 months ago
I'm just surprised that some people (not saying recently here nor in this thread but in general) are verbally destroying Barry zone coverage, but what they're actually described was the Packers getting beat playing man coverage at the end of the game.

And they're praising man coverage for the first parts of the game, but that was actually zone coverage.


Basically they're just confirming they don't know what they're talking about, and if something good happens, they're going to call it the coverage that they like, and if something bad happens, they're going to call it the coverage they don't like, and continue to be extremely biased.


But I believe according to PFF, the teams that run man coverage the most, only run it 45% of the time... Primary man coverage in the NFL doesn't exist anymore.

Saw a blurb before season that Stokes poor performance before his season ending injury last year had a lot to do with scheme. In man to man he was lights out. In zone he was getting cooked. Guess what coverage the defense was playing 67-75% of the time during games last year?

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 


That's mostly true, but are we playing to our best players or playing to Stokes?

In 2022, Alexander and Douglas played best in zone. Nixon and Stokes played best in man coverage. But they also struggled in run defense/tackling.


But in today's NFL, you can't get away from zone coverage, as all 32 teams are running it over 50% of the time, as CBs can't get away with man coverage all game.



Now let's look at 2023 Grades... Stokes seriously sucked in zone coverage, but he was even worse in man coverage (note small sample size).

In 2023, the only Packers CB with a better man coverage grade than zone coverage grade currently is CB Ballentine, and he's under average at both
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beast
5 months ago

When Packers are aggressive and in man coverage, it's good things. When they are more passive and in man coverage, they get abused.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


When Packers are aggressive in coverage, they do better than when they're passive in coverage.

I believe that's true for both man and zone coverage.
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Mucky Tundra
5 months ago

One player in 2022 doesn't define an entire team in 2023. I don't have access to the data but I have heard people say that PFF and other sources have stated the Packers defense in zone coverage is a lot better than in man coverage.

Originally Posted by: wpr 




I'm just surprised that some people (not saying recently here nor in this thread but in general) are verbally destroying Barry zone coverage, but what they're actually described was the Packers getting beat playing man coverage at the end of the game.

And they're praising man coverage for the first parts of the game, but that was actually zone coverage.


Basically they're just confirming they don't know what they're talking about, and if something good happens, they're going to call it the coverage that they like, and if something bad happens, they're going to call it the coverage they don't like, and continue to be extremely biased.


But I believe according to PFF, the teams that run man coverage the most, only run it 45% of the time... Primary man coverage in the NFL doesn't exist anymore.


That's mostly true, but are we playing to our best players or playing to Stokes?

In 2022, Alexander and Douglas played best in zone. Nixon and Stokes played best in man coverage. But they also struggled in run defense/tackling.


But in today's NFL, you can't get away from zone coverage, as all 32 teams are running it over 50% of the time, as CBs can't get away with man coverage all game.



Now let's look at 2023 Grades... Stokes seriously sucked in zone coverage, but he was even worse in man coverage (note small sample size).

In 2023, the only Packers CB with a better man coverage grade than zone coverage grade currently is CB Ballentine, and he's under average at both

Originally Posted by: beast 



I assume a lot of the problems with Barry and m2m/zone is that it's just so predictable what, when, where and hows he's going to use it. As a result, the offense already has a leg up (I think this is where some of the anger from Campbell comes from).

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