bboystyle
10 months ago
Playing soft coverage and prevent D while only up a FG or less. This has been going on for soooooo long and the out come has been the same mostly. With all the genius coaches and advanced analytics out there, why hasn't anyone figured this out yet? Giants were scoreless all the 4th quarter and all it took was 3 plays and they win. When will coaches step in and say there is no place for that on my field? Why havent they figured out that it is the worse scheme that is still continued to this day?

god i hate Joe barry.

All I know is if MLF is even a half decent coach, he will call Joe into his office Tuesday morning and tell him to rip out any soft 2 min coverage D from his playbook. But we all know that ain't going to happen...

10 months ago
Without starting calibre corners, it isn't that easy, but moreover I agree with you.

What was especially glaring with our soft coverage was the lack of pass rush.
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Nonstopdrivel
10 months ago
Gregg Easterbrook made a long, lucrative career out of ridiculing prevent defense (and punting instead of going for it on 4th down), and his Tuesday Morning Quarterback column was pretty compelling reading as a result of it. But the reason coaches use the prevent defense is that statistically, in the grand scheme of things, it works more often than it doesn't . Fans only remember the spectacular times it fails, but they forget all the losses that could have been prevented by playing it.

Trust me, I hate prevent defense too. I hate the whole concept of "bend but don't break" with a burning, fiery passion. But just as fans foolishly glorify the triumphs of the gunslinger while overlooking his inexcusable failures, so also they fixate on the prevent defense's failures while ignoring its many successes.

And that's not even getting into the fact that the term itself is vague, ill defined, and perhaps even undefinable .
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Zero2Cool
10 months ago
I've never much liked the three man rush, or playing soft coverage. I want my defense to be dishing out the hits, not being passive.

The "prevent" is something I can tolerate I'd you're up by 8 points or more because you keep them in the middle of the field and eat up clock. Plus the onside kick is super hard to execute now. When the enemy has multiple timeouts and only need a FG to get the win? Nope. You play aggressive.

I'd rather take a loss going out swinging than taking a loss with my tail between my legs.

When you give a QB time to pick you apart. That's what will happen.
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bboystyle
10 months ago

Gregg Easterbrook made a long, lucrative career out of ridiculing prevent defense (and punting instead of going for it on 4th down), and his Tuesday Morning Quarterback column was pretty compelling reading as a result of it. But the reason coaches use the prevent defense is that statistically, in the grand scheme of things, it works more often than it doesn't . Fans only remember the spectacular times it fails, but they forget all the losses that could have been prevented by playing it.

Trust me, I hate prevent defense too. I hate the whole concept of "bend but don't break" with a burning, fiery passion. But just as fans foolishly glorify the triumphs of the gunslinger while overlooking his inexcusable failures, so also they fixate on the prevent defense's failures while ignoring its many successes.

And that's not even getting into the fact that the term itself is vague, ill defined, and perhaps even undefinable .

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Do they take into consideration that they are playing for a TD or FG? What about time left and timeouts remaining?

For a TD, it makes sense. For a FG with a min and a half and timeouts remaining, makes no sense at all and im sure the fact that teams who go soft or prevent more likely allow the opposing team to get in FG range then not. U cant tell me any different. I've seen it numerous times for all teams.
bboystyle
10 months ago

Without starting calibre corners, it isn't that easy, but moreover I agree with you.

What was especially glaring with our soft coverage was the lack of pass rush.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 



the whole 4th quarter the NYG didnt score.....until the last minute of the game where they went soft coverage and prevent. Hell, they didnt even get to FG range....until the last min of the game.

It doesnt make sense at all....
Zero2Cool
10 months ago

the whole 4th quarter the NYG didnt score.....until the last minute of the game where they went soft coverage and prevent. Hell, they didnt even get to FG range....until the last min of the game.

It doesnt make sense at all....

Originally Posted by: bboystyle 


Kinda feels like they played not to lose rather than "all gas no effing brakes" huh
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beast
10 months ago

the whole 4th quarter the NYG didnt score

Originally Posted by: bboystyle 


And what coverage were they playing?

Was it not Barry's normal soft coverage?

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bboystyle
10 months ago

And what coverage were they playing?

Was it not Barry's normal soft coverage?

Originally Posted by: beast 



It was mixed but at least they werent dropping everyone back 10+ yards every play.
beast
10 months ago

It was mixed but at least they werent dropping everyone back 10+ yards every play.

Originally Posted by: bboystyle 


And the big pass play that Nixon gave up...

Was that not when he was in the WRs face and simply got juked and not when back 10+ yards?
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