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a year ago
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/04/30/deion-sanders-is-ashamed-of-31-nfl-teams-for-not-drafting-any-hbcu-players/ 

I'm not even going to post the quotes, but I don't understand why these current or former HBCU (historically black college or university) head coaches keep coming up with conspiracy theories that the NFL is specifically targeting their schools to hold them and their school down...

Seems like they're trying to play the race card, but (and I could be wrong) but aren't most of the draft picks black?

If you want more of your players drafted then recruit, coach and develop better... teams don't seem to care where the talent comes from... heck, they have even occasionally drafted some players from the NCAA basketball and Canadian colleges (both of which are considered lower tiers of developing NFL players).
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a year ago
It's complaining for the sake of complaining. NFL would draft green men if they thought it would help them win. To get 32 teams to agree to not draft these players is next to impossible. This claim is simply moronic. 
Mucky Tundra
a year ago
Less a conspiracy and more the fact that HBCU are no longer a refuge for black players barred from predominantly white colleges. In addition, the immense money and prestige from college football programs means no stone goes unturned these days (and all the documented problems this can cause). If you can play ball, a major university is going to take you. Throw in national exposure thanks to the internet and satellite tv, you can go to a East Carolina, LSU Tech or Northern Iowa and get to the NFL.

it's also a bit hypocritical on Sanders part seeing as he bailed on Jackson State and took over 30 of their players with him to Colorado. He also denied the Detroit Lions the film of a player who started at Jackson State before transferring to Florida when they drafted him.
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Zero2Cool
a year ago

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/04/30/deion-sanders-is-ashamed-of-31-nfl-teams-for-not-drafting-any-hbcu-players/ 

I'm not even going to post the quotes, but I don't understand why these current or former HBCU (historically black college or university) head coaches keep coming up with conspiracy theories that the NFL is specifically targeting their schools to hold them and their school down...

Seems like they're trying to play the race card, but (and I could be wrong) but aren't most of the draft picks black?

If you want more of your players drafted then recruit, coach and develop better... teams don't seem to care where the talent comes from... heck, they have even occasionally drafted some players from the NCAA basketball and Canadian colleges (both of which are considered lower tiers of developing NFL players).

Originally Posted by: beast 



I saw Deion was "ashamed" or something. Maybe my understanding of demographics is wrong, but isn't it like 75% white and 13% black with the other races taking up the remaining part of the pie? I can't say I ever really noticed race much until it was seemingly forced into my face day in day out. And yes, that is because as a white person I never have to worry about my skin. That is why for a white guy having a black head coach, it's meaningless, but for a black person to have a black head coach it is huge. 

Whenever I turn the TV on. I see the minorities represented very well. Which is great, not complaining at all, but it's definitely not equal in the demographic sense. And it just makes it feel weird when the race card feels to be pulled more and more. 

The crowd that says the NFL is ~80% black players but only one team with black ownership NEEDS to change. They don't say there should be more white players, more Asian players, nope, they say there should be more black owners. Shouldn't population demographics be considered here when punching down?

I dislike it all. I just wish people would be hired based on qualifications alone, nothing more, nothing less. Not hired to fit some statistic or whatever. 

Anyhow, the percentage of college players that makes the NFL is incredibly low. In fact, just 1.6 percent of college players will become a professional in the NFL. So the other 98.4 percent of players in college right now will not have their dream realized. 
wpr
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a year ago
Something else I was thinking about this morning. In order for Snders whining to be valid he would have to show how these players that were not taken are better than the ones who were.

GMs get fired for not fielding a winning team. Zero chance they won't take the player that THEY feel is best. Zero chance that an owner will tell his GM not to take a player from those schools AND the GM tells him no or that it doesn't leak to the press. Remember how Flores claimed he was told to lose games? It would get out.

Can you imagine Jerry Jones taking a pass on a HBCU player? Dan Snyder playiing nice with all the other owners? 

This is what is so frustrating with society today. People make claims that are not true. There is no way to substanciate them. And yet they gain traction and are considered legit instead of being dismissed as the ravings of a person who needs mental help.
a year ago
Actually, I have it on good authority that MLK Jr. left off part of what he was going to say in his "I have a dream" speech.

What he was going to say was 

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character and their RAS score.

Somehow, the last phrase was edited out....alas
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dhazer
a year ago

Something else I was thinking about this morning. In order for Snders whining to be valid he would have to show how these players that were not taken are better than the ones who were.

GMs get fired for not fielding a winning team. Zero chance they won't take the player that THEY feel is best. Zero chance that an owner will tell his GM not to take a player from those schools AND the GM tells him no or that it doesn't leak to the press. Remember how Flores claimed he was told to lose games? It would get out.

Can you imagine Jerry Jones taking a pass on a HBCU player? Dan Snyder playiing nice with all the other owners? 

This is what is so frustrating with society today. People make claims that are not true. There is no way to substanciate them. And yet they gain traction and are considered legit instead of being dismissed as the ravings of a person who needs mental help.

Originally Posted by: wpr 




I actually did some other reading on this stuff and about Sanders. Now the Colorado players are entering the transfer portal and they are saying Sanders is so bad, but he told them straight out you guys were 1-11 last year I am bringing in my guys. I saw a big post how it was like 23 players went to the portal and they made a huge deal but didn't mention he has the largest group of transfers coming to Colorado and actually have the highest grades to the other schools. He has people leaving Bama and Florida and Michigan to go play for him. 

Also I think the point that is being missed here and that he is doing what every coach should be doing and bragging up his players as that shows he cares for them, and by doing that he will get the better players. And he did bring 2 conference championships and in 3 years he was 27-6 and 19-2 in conference and the last 2 years was undefeated in conference. I say thats pretty good.
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