Zero2Cool
2 years ago
Well, that's going to piss off a lot of you "Joe Barry should be fired because she doesn't do halftime adjustments" folks.

"I don't know if I ever made a halftime adjustment in my entire 18-year career. I think that's the biggest myth in football- the halftime adjustments. You go in, you use the restroom, you eat a couple of oranges, and then the head coach says, 'Alright, let's go!'"- Peyton Manning

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nerdmann
2 years ago
I don't know about that. It's not players jobs to adjust, it's coordinators jobs. Those "6 plays that were already in the game plan" are there for that purpose. That's why they are in the game plan.
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Zero2Cool
2 years ago

I don't know about that. It's not players jobs to adjust, it's coordinators jobs. Those "6 plays that were already in the game plan" are there for that purpose. That's why they are in the game plan.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I've heard this numerous times about half time adjustments being overrated. I mentioned it this season too. Folks sometimes think this is Madden and can you just magically be great at something you didn't practice. Then say why aren't you practicing it as if they don't know the CBA restricts the amount of practices and duration of practices. 
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dyeah_gb
2 years ago
No question that mid-game adjustments can help a team.  It is just some teams will be better at making those changes on the fly.  If your strengths are running a shutdown man-to-man defense and you are getting torched by Davante Adams, you can try to switch to zone or double team.  These changes come with their own set of risks.  What is a fireable offense is how the Packers played against the 49ers in the playoffs.  If your game preparation can't stop their basic rush package at all, your team is screwed and your D coordinator should be fired.     

Also Madden is a great tool to learn the strategy and tactics of football.  Just because there are ways to break the AI and nothing stops a player  from always going for it on 4th down doesn't mean it can't simulate realistic situations.  Now to be fair, the game has been garbage over the past couple years but it is still probably the best simulation tool out there to study the game (unfortunately the monopoly is probably the main reason why this statement is true).  In other words, a dedicated madden player can learn alot more about football than someone that is just watching games. 
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Zero2Cool
2 years ago

No question that mid-game adjustments can help a team.  It is just some teams will be better at making those changes on the fly.  If your strengths are running a shutdown man-to-man defense and you are getting torched by Davante Adams, you can try to switch to zone or double team.  These changes come with their own set of risks.  What is a fireable offense is how the Packers played against the 49ers in the playoffs.  If your game preparation can't stop their basic rush package at all, your team is screwed and your D coordinator should be fired.     

Also Madden is a great tool to learn the strategy and tactics of football.  Just because there are ways to break the AI and nothing stops a player  from always going for it on 4th down doesn't mean it can't simulate realistic situations.  Now to be fair, the game has been garbage over the past couple years but it is still probably the best simulation tool out there to study the game (unfortunately the monopoly is probably the main reason why this statement is true).  In other words, a dedicated madden player can learn alot more about football than someone that is just watching games. 

Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb 



How the Packers played against the 49ers in 2021 playoffs I feel is more on Aaron Rodgers decision making. I know I'm not the only one who saw guys open and after the game there were a plethora of clips showing people open. Even Rodgers himself said he missed a few guys.  I was at the game and the wind kicked my ass so I don't remember too much about the game plan. I just know I saw guys open and was like WTF BRUH! 

RE: Madden -- You're 100% right. I know my high school level football isn't the professional league, but just as the NFL players are playing vs NFL talent, I was playing against high school talent. I had a college arm but had peewee size. So, when I'd throw the ball, I'd get into tight windows that shouldn't have been possible for someone my size. There wasn't too much timing unless I was heaving it because my WR got a step on his CB.  It wasn't until I played Madden when I learned how to actually read a defense, identify the blitz, make the lurking safety pay, spot a corner blitz, etc ... if I had those damn brains in High School I might have actually made second tier college. 

Coincidently, the Giants ran a pass play that I like to use over the weekend. I immediately texted my dad "Giants just did pass play from my Madden playbook".  I didn't recognize it until they showed the behind QB view and I was like a little kid in a candy store. HEY HEY YOU BASTIDS THAT'S MY PLAY!! haha

And to think the game of football still has INSANE amount more things that go into it. It's mind boggling. 
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nerdmann
2 years ago

I've heard this numerous times about half time adjustments being overrated. I mentioned it this season too. Folks sometimes think this is Madden and can you just magically be great at something you didn't practice. Then say why aren't you practicing it as if they don't know the CBA restricts the amount of practices and duration of practices. 

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Why wouldn't they be practicing these extra plays? 
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Zero2Cool
2 years ago

Why wouldn't they be practicing these extra plays? 

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 


The CBA restricts the amount of practices and duration of practices. 
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dyeah_gb
2 years ago

How the Packers played against the 49ers in 2021 playoffs I feel is more on Aaron Rodgers decision making. I know I'm not the only one who saw guys open and after the game there were a plethora of clips showing people open. Even Rodgers himself said he missed a few guys.  I was at the game and the wind kicked my ass so I don't remember too much about the game plan. I just know I saw guys open and was like WTF BRUH! 

RE: Madden -- You're 100% right. I know my high school level football isn't the professional league, but just as the NFL players are playing vs NFL talent, I was playing against high school talent. I had a college arm but had peewee size. So, when I'd throw the ball, I'd get into tight windows that shouldn't have been possible for someone my size. There wasn't too much timing unless I was heaving it because my WR got a step on his CB.  It wasn't until I played Madden when I learned how to actually read a defense, identify the blitz, make the lurking safety pay, spot a corner blitz, etc ... if I had those damn brains in High School I might have actually made second tier college. 

Coincidently, the Giants ran a pass play that I like to use over the weekend. I immediately texted my dad "Giants just did pass play from my Madden playbook".  I didn't recognize it until they showed the behind QB view and I was like a little kid in a candy store. HEY HEY YOU BASTIDS THAT'S MY PLAY!! haha

And to think the game of football still has INSANE amount more things that go into it. It's mind boggling. 

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Because of Madden, I look alot more to the formations and what the linebackers and d-backs are doing rather than just zoom in on the QB during games.  It also frustrates me how the camera view angle is too narrow!  You often can't even see secondary or the WR on the edge.

I'll just  mention that I  was referring to the loss in 2019 and not 2021.  It says something about how the niners own the Packers that clarification is needed to identify the one game amongst the many losses in the playoffs 🙂
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman
Zero2Cool
2 years ago

Because of Madden, I look alot more to the formations and what the linebackers and d-backs are doing rather than just zoom in on the QB during games.  It also frustrates me how the camera view angle is too narrow!  You often can't even see secondary or the WR on the edge.

I'll just  mention that I  was referring to the loss in 2019 and not 2021.  It says something about how the niners own the Packers that clarification is needed to identify the one game amongst the many losses in the playoffs :)

Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb 



If you ever get a chance, and have not already, take a peek at the All-22 footage NFL Game Pass. It's pretty neat seeing all the players. There are times when I've seen guys "open" on the broadcast and I'll note it. Then see it on the 22 and be like ohh, he was not ... NOT open, that Safety was ready to murder dude! haha
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Zero2Cool
2 years ago
Darius Butler said "that's bullshit" about Peyton Manning not making halftime adjustments, lol. Butler said "that 3rd quarter I had that red dot on my ass" or something like that. 


AJ Hawk said they didn't really make any adjustments at halftime. They made them during the game.

Pat McAfee said he did make adjustments because at half-time he had the full field to use.
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