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Unless I'm missing something, the part about Richard Sherman is kind of bullshit. Taking a headline and mass media raping the fuck out of it.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


This whole thread is becoming bullshit...

The Subject was Jon Gruden getting fired based on his old emails, ...

Then political bullshit hating on Disney and ESPN comes up, which absolutely has nothing to do with Jon Gruden or his emails... (yes he worked at ESPN, but how does that play into the story? It doesn't, it's completely bullshit)

Also I really don't like Richard Sherman at all ... and he got arrested for domestic violence but I thought that was because he was trying to wrestle his wife's uncle?

And yet the article claims he's playing despite violence against woman... I lost track, but when did his wife's uncle become a woman?

And Jason Whitlock, automatically bullshit...


This entire thread has become basically pure bullshit!
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Sherman didn't touch anyone. He hit a door. That's what I remember. Don't even know if the charges stuck or were dropped. So confusing. Hate we even hear about charges cuz they are trumped up every time and pled down. I know first hand. I had three felony charges and immediately was dropped to 4th misdemeanor. Fuck you nosy assholes who feel it's your right to know this criminal shit. Go play Tetris.
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Oh and screw Jon Gruden. He sucked on ESPN.
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Gruden was an overpayed mediocre coach for the Raiders. The real story here though is some faceless chickenshit weasel that searched through emails to find dirt and then released that information to the public.

Woodson had the right message on this issue IMO
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Gruden was an overpayed mediocre coach for the Raiders. The real story here though is some faceless chickenshit weasel that searched through emails to find dirt and then released that information to the public.

Woodson had the right message on this issue IMO

Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb 



This is something I didn't realize until I was looking at other football message boards and that all this was found from an investigation into the WFT and their never-ending fuckups. The NFL threw Gruden under a bus to cover up other, bigger problems from the WFT because Snyder probably has some dirt on the owners while Gruden doesn't.
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Three thoughts

1. I have no problem with canning Gruden, other than the hypocrisy is oozing from the NFL. [list]
  • Deshawn Watson, accused of sexually assaulting 24 women, continues to draw from his $177 million salary.
  • Every rapper the NFL has performing at the Super Bowl has more offensive lyrics than Jon Gruden had in his emails[/list]Make no mistake about it, the anti-Goodell comments are the impetus...without those, we never would have heard a word of it.
  • 2. Earthquake made the best point of the entire thread, the arrogance and stupidity of people putting this stuff in emails or any other electronic record is mind-bogging.

    3. WFT is/was troubled in many ways per NYP

    Washington cheerleaders furious over topless photo leak in Jon Gruden scandal
    By Jenna Lemoncelli
    October 13, 2021 3:32pm Updated

    Former WFT cheerleaders are calling on the NFL to release the full results of its investigation into the team’s workplace culture — following allegations that inappropriate photos of squad members were secretly distributed by coaches via email.

    The alleged photos were discovered in emails reported by the New York Times Monday, which exposed Raiders head coach Jon Gruden for using racist, homophobic and misogynistic language. Gruden resigned from his position Monday.

    According to WFT cheerleaders, who spoke with the Daily Beast Tuesday, emails showing images of topless cheerleaders from a past swimsuit photoshoot video were allegedly passed around by Gruden to then-WFT general manager Bruce Allen.

    Gruden, at the time, was a color commentator for ESPN, and Allen had hired Gruden’s brother Jay to coach the team.

    In the 10-minute video, first reported by the Washington Post in 2020, WFT staffers were allegedly instructed to take behind-the-scenes content at the swimsuit photoshoot, to package and create a video featuring only “the good bits” — reportedly of bare nipples and pubic areas while cheerleaders were changing clothes or moving around. According to the outlet, the video was shared with WFT team owner Daniel Snyder, who later denied the allegations.


    At the time, a number of cheerleaders came forward with complaints of inappropriate behavior — and hit the franchise with lawsuits alleging a secret, uncensored video taken at a cheerleader photoshoot was distributed to team executives. The lawsuits were settled out of court.

    The NFL’s investigation into the WFT’s culture and workplace initially concluded in July, resulting in a $10 million fine against the team. It was reopened this summer to review some of the 650,000 emails involved in the review — and that’s when the images came to light as part of the accusation that took down Gruden.

    Melanie Coburn, a four-year WFT cheerleader and the squad’s marketing director for 10 years, created a petition Friday, aimed at the NFL and WFT to “do the right thing for women” and “make Washington’s sexual misconduct investigation public.”

    “It’s despicable, really, to see that there is more evidence of exploitation and violation of these cheerleaders who I worked very closely with,” Coburn told the Daily Beast, adding, “I know that there’s a lot more where these emails came from.”

    On Tuesday, attorneys for 40 former WFT employees released a statement, calling for the NFL to release the full findings of its investigation.

    Candass Correll, a WFT cheerleader from 2016 until 2021, told the Daily Beast that cheerleaders still have not seen the investigation report or its results despite being “the actual victims” of the situation.

    “If it wasn’t for [the New York Times article,] we would’ve never known that those pictures were going through the mail servers between these two really important people in the NFL,” she said.

    Lacy Thibodeaux-Fields, a former cheerleader for the Raiders, said the latest email scandal involving Gruden was further evidence of a “misogynistic, racist, very sexist culture.”

    She too called for the release of the full investigation report.





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    3. WFT is/was troubled in many ways per NYP

    Originally Posted by: KRK 


    I agree, and the scary part is based on the NFL's actions... this might be a lot bigger than WFT...

    I mean, think about this, your report there says Gruden (whom doesn't work for the team) sent it to the team President...

    Um, why does a guy outside the team have something before the head boss does? Unless it was his brother that sent it to him...

    But still, we haven't seen a coverup like this since Spygate... which Goodell tried to secretly bury... and when caught... he did what he had to do out publicly.

    Here, they're trying to bury it, and they're not even be secret about it... and while the Gruden stuff got out, they're not acting like they caught, so I'm thinking there is a mega huge secret we still don't know about!

    And while I 100% thought Goodell was leaking the Gruden stuff, to get payback at Gruden... especially with how PFT out it, the NFL was basically non-reactive publicly to the Gruden stuff, which suggested either they did it, or they're alright with it, or the person that did it, has even more secrets and NFL is trying to play nice with them or cover that up.

    But while Goodell is quite stupid with football (as he always puts business over football), he's not (normally) stupid with PR. And any leak, even payback leak just opens this story up, and makes people want to know more... which Goodell would know that.


    I'm thinking... either

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  • Gruden is just a small fish for Goodell and he's actually going after some one bigger like the Redskins owner...

  • That his isn't Goodell leaking this, but someone that works/worked for the NFL, and they're leaking it, and the NFL is in panic mode trying to cover up something that is bigger... while that mystery person is chummy the waters trying to get the media sharks to come feed and get the bigger story.

  • Remember, Goodell tried to cover up for Spy Gate and someone leaked that... that when the NFL switched their stance on social justice that was partly after someone in the NFL media secretly worked worked with players to make a video and leaked it and the NFL got behind that... so it's not like the NFL hasn't had a ton of leaks on senative issues.

    I don't think Goodell would chum the waters of this story just to get back at Gruden...

    But others would... and remember this first broke when voting for the NFLPA President... the timing almost helped him, would that be Goodell or maybe a former player that now works for the NFL?
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    Part of me kind of hopes the greedy as hell NFL burns down. Healthy dose of humble pie for the eager greedy punks.
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    This is why I don't think Goodell would of leaked this on purpose to go after Gruden, and either it was a larger target or not Goodell...

    As Goodell darn well should of known this was a possible follow up to those leak and put him and the owners in an absolutely horrible position if their sponsor back the people.

    So either they're going after the teams owner or was someone else... I'm thinking it was someone else, that didn't like what Gruden said and maybe wanted to help the Union President and/or go after Gruden.

    To get WFT emails, pressure is being placed on NFL sponsors

    Last year, pressure from sponsors prompted Washington Football Team owner Daniel Snyder to abandon his all-caps NEVER refusal to change the team name. Now, sponsors of the league are being asked to pressure the NFL to release the emails obtained through the recent workplace investigation.

    A letter from various former employees of the organization to the chief executives of Verizon, Anheuser-Busch, Amazon, Pepsi, Nike, and Proctor & Gamble urges these companies to demand that the NFL reveal the results of an investigation into “one of the biggest scandals of the #MeToo era.”

    The letter specifically cites the recent resignation of Raiders coach Jon Gruden, fueled by the release of selected emails from the WFT investigation, as the basis for releasing more of the documents, specifically as it relates to Snyder.

    “We do not understand why the NFL seems intent on protecting Dan Snyder and the WFT at all costs,” the letter explains.

    “That is why we call on you,” the letter continues. “While the NFL has refused to heed the calls for transparency and accountability from former WFT employees, advocacy groups, lawyers, or the media, it will have to heed such a call from its corporate sponsors. If the League has shown us anything, it is that money, and only money, talks.”

    Indeed it does. And if the sponsors become motivated to speak out — as they should — that could break the dam at a time when nothing else will.

    Profootballtalk  wrote:


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    The thing that irritates me most is they couldn't wait a week or two before having this blow up. The team more or less quit last week giving the bares an easy win. I just heard that more than a few Raiders had their worst PFF game ever. Others were well below their norm.
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    "Washington Football team announces they will retire Sean Taylor's No. 21 on Sunday."

    Call me a conspiracy theory guy, but the timing of this kind of feels off.
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    "Washington Football team announces they will retire Sean Taylor's No. 21 on Sunday."

    Call me a conspiracy theory guy, but the timing of this kind of feels off.

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



    I was right there with you, this timing feels off, but just looked it up, and saw where one NFL guy (for the Broncos) claimed this has been in the works for a while, but the timing is horrible.

    But they had planed to retire the number "During Alumni Homecoming Weekend" with the Alumni and Taylor's family there, which you don't do all of that very last minute, so I think this was planned in advance.

    Though still, if possible I probably would of waited another year until they had their actual new long term mascot/name in place to do it... unless it's the 20 year anniversary or something.

    You know what... they probably did plan this for the fall out of the investigation... not nessarily the recent email stuff (not enough time for that) but maybe to get some positive news worried the investigation might have bad news though, and not knowing if they could bury it or not.

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    I would have to think this was planned well in advanced. The timing is just odd, that is all.
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    "Washington Football team announces they will retire Sean Taylor's No. 21 on Sunday."

    Call me a conspiracy theory guy, but the timing of this kind of feels off.

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



    Yeah with only 3 days of an out too, so I'm now confused... if this was previously plan then wouldn't you announce it at least two weeks in advance? Minimum two weeks, unless they weren't sure they could get the family there/on board.

    And it's been 14 years... just an odd time, more reason to wait another year to get to 15, or wait until 20, or 21 since he's famous for wearing #21 retire it 21 years after he's gone since you've already waited 14 years.

    Either way, they're screwed up muliple times and it seems muliple more times will be coming, especially with Snyder still running the show (unofficially... officially it's his wife).
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    Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 



    Okay, I feel like that's for the win, proof it wasn't planned ahead of time...

    Though June to September isn't a long term either for a guy that spent four decades with the team, including being the first African American on the last team that refused to bring an African American to the team... and then got three All-Pro selections for them. Then became a pro-scout at the request of then Redskins head coach Vince Lombardi. Became assistant GM and wanted to become the first African American GM but kept getting passed over and retired in 2003 after being "deeply hurt" over muliple owners passing over him for other options and the new head coach decision to issue a new player his number, which hasn't been issued in many years. The only sad part is they retired his jersey about a year and a half after he passed away... seems like he deserved to see that and it probably is only happening to cover up the bad PR as well.

    But yeah 3 days is like a last minute thing, but I'd like to hear something from the family to see how long they knew about it.


    These both seem like PR moves right now.
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    From Peter King -- Whoever did it, this point remains, as one prominent plugged-in source told me: “The discipline against Snyder was shockingly light. You suspend Tom Brady when you never proved without a doubt he deflated the footballs, and you don’t suspend Snyder for running that kind of operation in Washington. And Gruden gets ruined. It’s not like Roger’s protecting a guy who’s good for the league anyway. Where’s the fairness?”


    This is an excellent point. Tom Brady and Patriots are still called cheaters for things that were not proven, simply because punishment was handed out and well people are sheep.
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    From Peter King -- Whoever did it, this point remains, as one prominent plugged-in source told me: “The discipline against Snyder was shockingly light. You suspend Tom Brady when you never proved without a doubt he deflated the footballs, and you don’t suspend Snyder for running that kind of operation in Washington. And Gruden gets ruined. It’s not like Roger’s protecting a guy who’s good for the league anyway. Where’s the fairness?”


    This is an excellent point. Tom Brady and Patriots are still called cheaters for things that were not proven, simply because punishment was handed out and well people are sheep.

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



    That and people hate Boston/New England.
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    I wrote a very long reply yesterday and the site when down or something on my or wasn't connecting to the host or something and it's gone now :(


    I don't have time to rewrite it... main points...

    Goodell is ass backwards management, demanding most from the lowest, and the least from the top.

    Jerry Jones has a ton of control and is generally friends with Goodell (except that one period) and Dan Snyder.

    And didn't former Panthers owner Richardson basically get forced to sell his team for even less?

    Though to be fair, Richardson was clearly directly involved, where Snyder MIGHT be able to claim he didn't completely know what was going on, though he's clearly fostered the environment for it.

    But if I had to defend them, I think I'd have a much easier time defending Richardson as being an extremely old man who's struggling to get with times and having to learn and grow to mentally get with the 2000s... over there rumored stuff with Snyder and all of their many screw ups.... this has to be simply because Snyder has better connection, more sue happy and always willing to fight.
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    The site was down for a little while yesterday. I tried to get in too and was rejected. Damn kids and their protocols. They think they own everything.

    Usually my longest posts are lost. Something happens and my screen jumps back a page or the site is down or I lose the internet. Something. Now if I am going to do a Wade type ramble I put it on a word doc first. Some times I use my email program as it spell checks and auto saves.It's better here now that Z has the auto save mode.
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