Zero2Cool
4 years ago
Kind of interesting that some of Rodgers closest friends say it's fixable. Yet, reporters sing a different tune. James Jones says it's not about the GM.

SPEND THE FEW MINUTES LISTENING TO JAMES JONES!!

It sounds like Aaron Rodgers is upset that the organization is letting players go a year too soon, rathe than keeping them. That's the "its about the people" philosophy that Rodgers is speaking about -- as I speculate. James Jones cites Charles Woodson, Jordy Nelson, Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, etc. We all know Rodgers wasn't happy about Woodson being let go.

I further speculate that Rodgers wants input on when some guys are being let go. He doesn't want input on who is brought in, who is drafted, or any of that. But when it comes to releasing a guy or not re-signing a guy, I think, that's where he wants some input so guys like Clay Matthews, Jordy Nelson, Charles Woodson, Julius Peppers can hang around for one more year. And I think it's because Rodgers understands that the team needs leadership more than youth.


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4 years ago
I have never strapped it on for an NFL game but I think keeping players with declining talent with a higher salary than letting the walk and bring in a young, more cost effective player who needs the time to grow is totally wrong.

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Plus keeping older players doesn't allow others to grow into the leadership role.
It only focuses on the immediate team ad doesn't look down the road at what the team will be like in 3,4 or 5 years.

IF that is what Aaron wants it is the quickest way to cripple an organization. Aaron is extremely smart. I can't believe this is the hang up.

Organizations in every sport have been culling the older players off the team and bringing in younger bodies for more than 100 years. The is nothing wrong with it. There is nothing insidious about it. Making the tough call and letting the aging veteran go is almost always the mark of a good organization not a poorly led one.
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4 years ago
A few thoughts IF, in fact, it's true that Rodgers wants more input in when certain players are on the chopping block.
First, you can judge with 100% certainty if it was a good decision or bad to let a player go.........a year or more after the move was made.
Second, what team hasn't had to make the decision to move on from highly popular aging veterans?
Next, is this team not better than it was when Gutekunst first got here? Is that not the goal, and no, it's not all because of one guy. You don't win at this clip with one guy carrying the team on his back.
Finally, I ask again, is this IT? I'm having a hard time matching up the crime with the punishment here. Bunch all the "reasons" being floated around about Love, more input on player moves, or whatever, and COMBINED they don't add up to warrant Rodgers walking away from this team or his place in Packer lore and history. If it's something bigger than all this come out with it already. It's been months.
I could see these issues coming out if the team was heading in the wrong direction and not much hope of getting better but the opposite is true here. This is a really good football team.

"The train is leaving the station."
Zero2Cool
4 years ago

Plus keeping older players doesn't allow others to grow into the leadership role.
It only focuses on the immediate team ad doesn't look down the road at what the team will be like in 3,4 or 5 years.

IF that is what Aaron wants it is the quickest way to cripple an organization. Aaron is extremely smart. I can't believe this is the hang up.

Organizations in every sport have been culling the older players off the team and bringing in younger bodies for more than 100 years. The is nothing wrong with it. There is nothing insidious about it. Making the tough call and letting the aging veteran go is almost always the mark of a good organization not a poorly led one.

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Did you catch that Davante spoke on that growing into a leadership role? He was saying that Jordan is taking more of a leadership role without Aaron there. Then said that's exactly how you need to do it. He also mentioned he's a natural leader and sat back because Jordy Nelson and other WR's were here as leaders.

I do believe the Packers letting go of players when they did bothers him. I mean, he hasn't been shy about it, especially Charles Woodson. I think that combined with the uncertainty of the final years of his contract are what has high priority on his list of issues. That's assuming he has more than two of course.

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Did you catch that Davante spoke on that growing into a leadership role? He was saying that Jordan is taking more of a leadership role without Aaron there. Then said that's exactly how you need to do it. He also mentioned he's a natural leader and sat back because Jordy Nelson and other WR's were here as leaders.

I do believe the Packers letting go of players when they did bothers him. I mean, he hasn't been shy about it, especially Charles Woodson. I think that combined with the uncertainty of the final years of his contract are what has high priority on his list of issues. That's assuming he has more than two of course.

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Yes I did catch it. Ever year someone grows and takes on a larger role in terms of leadership. It may not be one of the "Big guys" who speak to the HC about the needs to the team but a 2nd year guy talks to the rookies and tells them what to expect. A 3rd year player works with those younger than he. It is a stepping stone process. Very few players are like Z was in 2020, take over the locker room and come in and assume a major portion of the leadership mantel in the first year with a team.
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dfosterf
4 years ago
I recommend going onto YouTube and watching all of the previous seasons of "Hard Knocks". I did. As we sit here and wring our hands about what is bugging Rodgers, assigning blame as emotions ebb and flow, reading and watching the assorted experts and those with supposed inside information, I cannot help but acknowledge that this is a brutal business, with little room for sentimentality if a team is striving for success. These cuts are made collectively by position coaches, coordinators, a head coach, a GM, and bet your ass a team president in our case. Sometimes I like them or hate them, just like everyone else, but recognize that I don't have all the context in which these decisions are made. Guess what? Aaron Rodgers doesn't either...not all of them... especially in light if his impact on a salary cap for these decision makers, as one example...
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4 years ago

Yes I did catch it. Ever year someone grows and takes on a larger role in terms of leadership. It may not be one of the "Big guys" who speak to the HC about the needs to the team but a 2nd year guy talks to the rookies and tells them what to expect. A 3rd year player works with those younger than he. It is a stepping stone process. Very few players are like Z was in 2020, take over the locker room and come in and assume a major portion of the leadership mantel in the first year with a team.

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This is interesting to me because I remember one of Brian Gutekunst press conferences when Jordy Nelson was mentioned. Gutekunst said something about needing Davante to step into that leadership role, or something of that ilk.
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I recommend going onto YouTube and watching all of the previous seasons of "Hard Knocks". I did. As we sit here and wring our hands about what is bugging Rodgers, assigning blame as emotions ebb and flow, reading and watching the assorted experts and those with supposed inside information, I cannot help but acknowledge that this is a brutal business, with little room for sentimentality if a team is striving for success. These cuts are made collectively by position coaches, coordinators, a head coach, a GM, and bet your ass a team president in our case. Sometimes I like them or hate them, just like everyone else, but recognize that I don't have all the context in which these decisions are made. Guess what? Aaron Rodgers doesn't either...not all of them... especially in light if his impact on a salary cap for these decision makers, as one example...

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As time has rolled by I keep thinking, if Aaron was to be involved in the decision making process, fine. Let him resign as QB. Give back the money he was paid to be the starting QB on the team and send his application in to be a subordinate to the GM. (Probably starting as a scout.) and work his way up the organizational chain. He needs to prove along the way that he is capable of evaluating talent.
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4 years ago

I recommend going onto YouTube and watching all of the previous seasons of "Hard Knocks". I did. As we sit here and wring our hands about what is bugging Rodgers, assigning blame as emotions ebb and flow, reading and watching the assorted experts and those with supposed inside information, I cannot help but acknowledge that this is a brutal business, with little room for sentimentality if a team is striving for success. These cuts are made collectively by position coaches, coordinators, a head coach, a GM, and bet your ass a team president in our case. Sometimes I like them or hate them, just like everyone else, but recognize that I don't have all the context in which these decisions are made. Guess what? Aaron Rodgers doesn't either...not all of them... especially in light if his impact on a salary cap for these decision makers, as one example...

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The release of Josh Sitton comes to mind as a brutal surprise.
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