TheEngineer
16 years ago

Those guys that got hurt led us to the NFC North championship the previous year.

"dd80forever" wrote:



Those guys that got hurt last year took us to the NFC Championship game in 07 save for the loss of Favre but the way Rodgers played last year I'd have a hard time putting him that far behind Favre's ability level at the end of his career.

"mi_keys" wrote:



Walker, Driver, Green, Davenport, Fisher, Ferguson, Gado, etc Led a little more than Jenkins and Bigby, sorry.

And then their is the Favre factor

"dd80forever" wrote:



Since we're talking about 2005, please elaborate on what the "Favre factor" was during that season.
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dd80forever
16 years ago

Those guys that got hurt led us to the NFC North championship the previous year.

"TheEngineer" wrote:



Those guys that got hurt last year took us to the NFC Championship game in 07 save for the loss of Favre but the way Rodgers played last year I'd have a hard time putting him that far behind Favre's ability level at the end of his career.

"dd80forever" wrote:



Walker, Driver, Green, Davenport, Fisher, Ferguson, Gado, etc Led a little more than Jenkins and Bigby, sorry.

And then their is the Favre factor

"mi_keys" wrote:



Since we're talking about 2005, please elaborate on what the "Favre factor" was during that season.

"dd80forever" wrote:




Simply stating this team is quite different than the one that went to the NFC Champ game since we changed our QB

Wasn't trying to pump up Favre or Put A-Rod down. Don't let me stop you from bashing him if you insist
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TheEngineer
16 years ago

Those guys that got hurt led us to the NFC North championship the previous year.

"dd80forever" wrote:



Those guys that got hurt last year took us to the NFC Championship game in 07 save for the loss of Favre but the way Rodgers played last year I'd have a hard time putting him that far behind Favre's ability level at the end of his career.

"TheEngineer" wrote:



Walker, Driver, Green, Davenport, Fisher, Ferguson, Gado, etc Led a little more than Jenkins and Bigby, sorry.

And then their is the Favre factor

"dd80forever" wrote:



Since we're talking about 2005, please elaborate on what the "Favre factor" was during that season.

"mi_keys" wrote:




Simply stating this team is quite different than the one that went to the NFC Champ game since we changed our QB

Wasn't trying to pump up Favre or Put A-Rod down. Don't let me stop you from bashing him if you insist

"dd80forever" wrote:



All I did was ask you to clarify what you meant. But don't let me stop you from making assumptions on alterior motives which you seem to think everyone has.
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dd80forever
16 years ago

Those guys that got hurt led us to the NFC North championship the previous year.

"TheEngineer" wrote:



Those guys that got hurt last year took us to the NFC Championship game in 07 save for the loss of Favre but the way Rodgers played last year I'd have a hard time putting him that far behind Favre's ability level at the end of his career.

"dd80forever" wrote:



Walker, Driver, Green, Davenport, Fisher, Ferguson, Gado, etc Led a little more than Jenkins and Bigby, sorry.

And then their is the Favre factor

"TheEngineer" wrote:



Since we're talking about 2005, please elaborate on what the "Favre factor" was during that season.

"dd80forever" wrote:




Simply stating this team is quite different than the one that went to the NFC Champ game since we changed our QB

Wasn't trying to pump up Favre or Put A-Rod down. Don't let me stop you from bashing him if you insist

"mi_keys" wrote:



All I did was ask you to clarify what you meant. But don't let me stop you from making assumptions on alterior motives which you seem to think everyone has.

"dd80forever" wrote:




Actually you didn't ask me to clarify, you asked me what the "Favre Factor" was in 05.

I assumed you knew what happened in 05. Wikipedia can tell you more I'm sure.

I don't know if we have anymore depth right now. We have bodies. I like Tramon more than Blackmon. Secondary, who knows what we have in Rouse. Jordy and Jones and Martin are nice backups. We need some depth at the QB position and RBs are pretty thin. Jackson is what he is. The O-line and D-Line is pretty weak. TE's could be OK if Finley pans out. The LB core doesn't excite me which sucks because I know Hawk and Barnett have the ability but Barnett is almost to instinctual and Hawk is the opposite. Poppinga needs upgraded and Chillar isn't the answer IMO. I do really like Desmond Bishop though.

We are good in some spots and not in others depth wise. Same way in 05'. Tht's why I was really hoping Ted would sign someone in FA instead of relying on projects. I subscribe to the saying "you are only good as your weakest link". Right now that would be both the O-Line and D-Line. There are very few players available in the draft that are going to change it instantly.
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Stevetarded
16 years ago

Those guys that got hurt led us to the NFC North championship the previous year.

"dd80forever" wrote:



Those guys that got hurt last year took us to the NFC Championship game in 07 save for the loss of Favre but the way Rodgers played last year I'd have a hard time putting him that far behind Favre's ability level at the end of his career.

"TheEngineer" wrote:



Walker, Driver, Green, Davenport, Fisher, Ferguson, Gado, etc Led a little more than Jenkins and Bigby, sorry.

And then their is the Favre factor

"dd80forever" wrote:



Since we're talking about 2005, please elaborate on what the "Favre factor" was during that season.

"mi_keys" wrote:




Simply stating this team is quite different than the one that went to the NFC Champ game since we changed our QB

Wasn't trying to pump up Favre or Put A-Rod down. Don't let me stop you from bashing him if you insist

"dd80forever" wrote:



I don't think any of those guys besides Driver were even on the team that played in the NFCC.
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Stevetarded
16 years ago

So how do you rate talent if they don't play? So it goes by peoples opinions like im still trying to see this so called great talent in Nelson and Blackmon. Blackmon is an average punt returner and thats it, its all hes ever been. Nelson is an average at best wr from what he showed on the field like i have said hes a Don Beebe type receiver in my eyes. But i guess you guys will say im full of shit but oh well im used to it. Also i see your point on some things i mean hell as long as our 3rd string TE was better last year than 05 that makes this a better team who cares about the starters and the guys that actually played.

"dd80forever" wrote:



Well to be fair our 3rd string TE had as many TD as Franks did in 05. Try to not get so butthurt just because some people don't agree with you. Sometimes you seem like you get offended if others like a player that you don't.

Jordy is a smart, reliable receiver with good hands. I guess youll have to excuse some people for being happy with having a guy like that on the team. Maybe we should trade for Boldin and draft Crabtree then we can have Jennings, Driver, Boldin, and Crabtree on the team... oh wait that's dumb. Jones and Nelson are perfect at the #3 and 4.

"Stevetarded" wrote:




The problem is every guy GB brings in has been so-called "full of potential". I remember going rounds about Ingle Martin! Colledge was going to be a stud O-Lineman, on and on. Wait til draft day. Every guy picked will be "full of potential".

It's been a broken record for 4 years now. Potential. potential, potential yet we finish the year 6-10. When is all the potential going to become talent?


Contrary to popular belief, I'm a die hard Packers fan but I can't get overly excited about some undrafted FA with "potential" or Justin "injury bug" Harrell because he has potential. All NFL teams have players full of potential. If you think Jordy is going to emerge into a pro-bowl WR go ahead but don't take offense when I see him as an average WR.

"dhazer" wrote:



I just don't personally see a problem with people being excited about young players that show some "potential" I don't see how it hurts anything. You can be damn sure that if the players fail nobody will be singing their praises.

I also don't see a problem with people thinking a team that was a single play from being in the superbowl 2 years ago has talent. You can harp on "6-10 is 6-10" all you want but anybody who watched the games last year can tell that the team was talented enough to win all but 2.
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Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago

You can harp on "6-10 is 6-10" all you want but anybody who watched the games last year can tell that the team was talented enough to win all but 2.

"stevetarded" wrote:



I was going to make this same point. I love how dd80forever derides us for making excessive reliance on stats, and insinuating that we should actually watch the games. Well, I did watch the games last year, and except for the two that got away (one of which was the Tampa Bay game, in which Rodgers got hurt and threw THREE interceptions, and even in that one we only lost by 9 points!), we were very much in every game down to the wire. Our team wasn't blown out -- they were freaking COMPETITIVE the entire season.

Don't forget our team outscored our opponents on all sides of the ball the ENTIRE season.

Yes, 6-10 sucks, but unless you look at the season holistically, you're not getting the whole picture. We had an incredible series of mishaps go against us, all of which was exacerbated by Mike McCarthy's incomprehensible tentativeness in the red zone and in two-minute drills.

I put the final record far more on McCarthy's holding in the reins than on anything that our players did or did not do.


You cant do that since its all objective..

"longtimefan" wrote:



I think you meant "subjective."

But this yawner of a thread as a whole illustrates just why we need to get back to football. The bickering is tiresome. The offseason is way too long.

Whoo-hoo for the draft in 9 days!
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longtimefan
16 years ago




Dude, you asked me to show you where I said something about injuries.

Then you change the subject. Way to man-up and admit your mistake!

Anyways my point is o course this team is better then the team that TOOK THE FIELD the better half of 2005. Most of them were 5th string guys.

However, give me a choice between the opening day roster of 2005 and 2008, without the injuries, I take 05 HANDS DOWN.

Those guys that got hurt led us to the NFC North championship the previous year. Favre to Walker was at it's high point.

I'm not sure where you were going with this. It's already been shown that the 2005 team gave up less points on defense. AS far as offense I again state Favre, Walker, Donald Driver, Hando, Green, Tauscher/Clifton then, Franks trumps A-Rod, GJ, Donald Driver, Grant, Kuhn, Tauscher/Clifton now, and Lee easily.

DH is right, yet you guys write him off as hating, as usual, and fail to see the logic.

I remember several posters before the 05 season talking about how much "potential" we had back then. Underwood was going to be great, etc. So you are comparing known failed to potential to unkniown potential. Of course the unknown is going to win. You know those guys you were hyped about, admittedly or not, were bums. It could be the case these guys you are now hyped about could be bums as well.

"dd80forever" wrote:



I bow down to you!! You were right, you said injuries !!!


Happy?

Again...... point of all this is who had more talent...05 or 08..

and DH is right in some points and I agree with him, just like i agree with you in some points...

That team for the 1st half of 05 went 1-7...


05 opening day starters 

No TE or FB 1st game listed as starter

Ferguson, Driver, Walker, Chatmann, Bubba did play tho in the 1st game

Clifton, Klemm, Flanagan, Whitaker, Tauscher,

Favre, Green

Defense

Kamp, Jackson, Jenkins

KGB, Leaon, Barnett, Thomas

Carroll, Harris, Roman, Collins




But your taking that 05 team and saying well lets use the roster as if it didnt get hurt...I can't understand how or why your using that logic...The team that played couldnt do that at all.

So you have to look at the entire body of work from that 05 team compared to the entire body of work from the 08 team.

I look at that 05 offense and honestly? The 08 offense for me is just about even as 05. With really only nod going to 0-l in 05..But that way underperformed then.

08 opening day starters 

Jennings, Driver, Martin, Lee

Clifton, Colledge, Spitz, Moll, Tauscher

Rodgers, Grant


Defense

Kamp, Jolly, Pickett, Jenkins

Popp, Barnett, Hawk

Woodson, Bigby, Harris, Collins
ILikeThePackers39
16 years ago
Holy Hannah - this has to be the silliest 4-page argument thread I've ever seen. And that's saying something.

:thumbleft:
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warhawk
16 years ago

So how do you rate talent if they don't play? So it goes by peoples opinions like im still trying to see this so called great talent in Nelson and Blackmon. Blackmon is an average punt returner and thats it, its all hes ever been. Nelson is an average at best wr from what he showed on the field like i have said hes a Don Beebe type receiver in my eyes. But i guess you guys will say im full of shit but oh well im used to it. Also i see your point on some things i mean hell as long as our 3rd string TE was better last year than 05 that makes this a better team who cares about the starters and the guys that actually played.

"dd80forever" wrote:



Well to be fair our 3rd string TE had as many TD as Franks did in 05. Try to not get so butthurt just because some people don't agree with you. Sometimes you seem like you get offended if others like a player that you don't.

Jordy is a smart, reliable receiver with good hands. I guess youll have to excuse some people for being happy with having a guy like that on the team. Maybe we should trade for Boldin and draft Crabtree then we can have Jennings, Driver, Boldin, and Crabtree on the team... oh wait that's dumb. Jones and Nelson are perfect at the #3 and 4.

"Stevetarded" wrote:




The problem is every guy GB brings in has been so-called "full of potential". I remember going rounds about Ingle Martin! Colledge was going to be a stud O-Lineman, on and on. Wait til draft day. Every guy picked will be "full of potential".

It's been a broken record for 4 years now. Potential. potential, potential yet we finish the year 6-10. When is all the potential going to become talent?


Contrary to popular belief, I'm a die hard Packers fan but I can't get overly excited about some undrafted FA with "potential" or Justin "injury bug" Harrell because he has potential. All NFL teams have players full of potential. If you think Jordy is going to emerge into a pro-bowl WR go ahead but don't take offense when I see him as an average WR.

"dhazer" wrote:



For a die-hard fan I find it curious that you speak about four years of a broken record when in that period these guys with "potential" did, in fact set a record for the most wins in a year and half period.

We lost a a franchise record of games in the very last minutes after going on one of the best winning runs in franchise history. That's not opinion or hypothetical. It's a fact regardless of whether you want to recognize it or not.

I also don't find from these facts that the sky is falling nor can I see where there is any truth in opinions on players ability now vs. a year previous as if they have all just lost the ability to perform at their recent levels.

We got to fix the pass rush. Geez. What the heck you think they brought Capers in here for?
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