Cheesey
5 years ago
Bullets........Chicago........it fits!
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Smokey
5 years ago
Washington Warriors

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Cheesey
5 years ago

Washington Warriors

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



I like the “warriors” nickname. But there STILL would be someone that would be “offended” by it.
Marquette University was “the warriors”, and they changed the name to “the golden eagles” so they wouldn’t offend anyone.
It seems to me people go out of the way to be offended by anything they can. To me, a warrior is an honorable thing to be. The “nickname police” are all over the place today.
If the team owner ( I wonder when the thought police will go after THAT term) can change the name if he wants to. I don’t have a horse in this race, so I really don’t care either way.
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Zero2Cool
5 years ago

As you wish, you royal pain in the ass 😉 JK

Though, if you creating the thread, you wouldn't have to complain what others named it 😛

Originally Posted by: beast 



I prefer you folks making topics and posts. When you see me create topics, and posts in abundance, that means I feel you all slacking off. 😜

Back on topic since I foolishly derailed a post or two here.

Prior to all this a few years ago, I never knew Redskins meant something foul. I thought it meant warrior or something on those lines. As they say, ignorance is bliss.

I believe most teams could have a syndicate that would find offense to their name or names lineage. My question is, where does it stop? What's the end? What is the purpose? Do we not have larger issues at hand to tend with? I feel strongly that we do.

Originally, I believe they were called the Braves. George Marshall changed the name from Braves to Redskins so he could keep the Native American monikers (that's from wiki).

While Marshall was in favor of segregation, I'm not entirely convinced he chose to name his professional football organization racial slur. At least, not knowingly. The guy was known to be frugal as hell. If that's all true, why would you name your franchise after a racial slur? It doesn't make sense to me, but just because it doesn't make sense to me doesn't mean much.

Personally, if I was the owner and it became apparent the team name was a racial slur. I would have tried to make it a huge massive public relations win for me and my business.


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Cheesey
5 years ago
I was going to make the point that we have much more important things to worry about, but figured someone would blast me for saying it.
Where does it end? It doesn’t. Once the complainers get their way, they will find SOMETHING to attack. Like I said earlier, next will it be calling guys (or gals) “team owners”, like in slavery terms?
There are native Americans that want Mount Rushmore blown apart because of what happened to their ancestors while these men were alive. Should we destroy history, because of what was acceptable at the time these men were our nation’s leaders? Should we forget all the good they did?
I think killing unborn babies is murder. Yet some think it’s just okey dokey to do so. Will future generations agree with me, and try to destroy all references to it?
Some say the holocaust never happened. They keep some of the concentration camps and furnaces around so that no one forgets that it DID happen.
Tearing down statues doesn’t change what happened.
If a guy that owns a team WANTS to change the team name, he owns the team and in the end it’s his choice. I never saw the Indian head helmet logo as something negative. To me it looks regal. Same with the Atlanta (Milwaukee) Braves.
The Cleveland Indian......not so much.
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beast
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5 years ago

I like the “warriors” nickname. But there STILL would be someone that would be “offended” by it.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

Warriors is reportedly the front runner (which is what I assumed after the Redskins said they'd like something that honors both Indians and Military). But sounds like Dan Synder got the trademark in 2010 for an AFL team he was hoping to run, but then dropped it when that was no longer happening , and in 2014 someone else tried to pick it up, no word if he was successful. Synder will probably demand owning the trademark of anything he changes the name to.


But it might help get people to stop complaining if they also change their logo
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I prefer you folks making topics and posts. When you see me create topics, and posts in abundance, that means I feel you all slacking off. 😜

Back on topic since I foolishly derailed a post or two here.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Yes it's all your fault 😜


Prior to all this a few years ago, I never knew Redskins meant something foul. I thought it meant warrior or something on those lines. As they say, ignorance is bliss.

I believe most teams could have a syndicate that would find offense to their name or names lineage. My question is, where does it stop? What's the end? What is the purpose? Do we not have larger issues at hand to tend with? I feel strongly that we do.

Originally, I believe they were called the Braves. George Marshall changed the name from Braves to Redskins so he could keep the Native American monikers (that's from wiki).

While Marshall was in favor of segregation, I'm not entirely convinced he chose to name his professional football organization racial slur. At least, not knowingly. The guy was known to be frugal as hell. If that's all true, why would you name your franchise after a racial slur? It doesn't make sense to me, but just because it doesn't make sense to me doesn't mean much.

Personally, if I was the owner and it became apparent the team name was a racial slur. I would have tried to make it a huge massive public relations win for me and my business.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

I absolutely agree with the question of where does it stop, if it's just the Redskins, then change them now!

But the Indian leader of the last movement that took them to court or TM court or something, publicly stated it's Washington Redskins, Cleveland Indians and then Kansas City Chiefs (for their usage of the religious headdresses)... I'm surprised her left out Braves.

Also we got PETA trying to change the Packers name, after it was after meat packing company originally.

I absolutely don't think the owners of the team ever meant to be racist with the team name (even if they are racist), I believe they choose Boston Braves as they were playing in the same stadium as the then Boston Braves baseball team and because they were completely unoriginal. Then they wanted their own mascot, so they changed it to Redskins because they were completely unoriginal.

My understanding is the term Redskins, has become more used as a racial term in recent decades in the west area where Cities and Native Americans areas are close and bothering each other... the East knowns nothing of this as they basically have no Native American tribes area left.

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Zero2Cool
5 years ago

Warriors is reportedly the front runner (which is what I assumed after the Redskins said they'd like something that honors both Indians and Military).

Originally Posted by: beast 



I'm not sure I agree with this. I don't believe they are wanting a name that honors both Native Americans and Military, but are wanting the franchise to continue supporting both.

Maybe I'm arguing semantics here, but from what the Head Coach said, I'm not sure the name is aimed for one direction or another. I think they're going to continue supporting Native Americans and Military and will choose a new team name that they profit financially the most from. I don't think the name and the support are one in the same.

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Smokey
5 years ago
Warriors is an honorable name, Redskins is a racial slur.

Both names, Warriors and Redskins contain 8 letters. Switching names would not require a great deal of new graphics as the logo would not need to be changed.

You can't please all the people all of the time, but not completely scrapping the teams heritage in favor of a name change is a good compromise.
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5 years ago

I'm not sure I agree with this. I don't believe they are wanting a name that honors both Native Americans and Military, but are wanting the franchise to continue supporting both.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Yeah honors was probably the wrong word, but I guess I meant, since that comment, I've thought they would want a name that could mean Native American OR Military, and that could cover both and "Warriors" can.

If they get away from the Native Americans logo, I think they might not support Native Americans at all.

Warriors is an honorable name, Redskins is a racial slur.

Both names, Warriors and Redskins contain 8 letters. Switching names would not require a great deal of new graphics as the logo would not need to be changed.

You can't please all the people all of the time, but not completely scrapping the teams heritage in favor of a name change is a good compromise.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 


It'll be interesting if they get a new logo or not, as most seemed to assume they will be, but I assumed Dan Snyder would change the least amount possible.

Also interesting to see is how percentage of people are still upside if the logo stays and name changes.

Also depends on what invovlement is Dan Synder is taking, as it sounds like he's fairly disconnected from the team and has been overseas for a good long while and let Bruce Allen run things, until enough push back finally got Allen fired, based on rumors (which may or may not be true) sounds like there is a bit chaos, as other than Ron Rivera, there is a major lack of non-football leadership in the organization right now.
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