KRK
  • KRK
  • Veteran Member
6 years ago
In other offensive line news, I see the Bears signed an extension with RT Bobby Massey. One gone.
In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK
sschind
6 years ago

In other offensive line news, I see the Bears signed an extension with RT Bobby Massey. One gone.

Originally Posted by: KRK 



One gone and the baseline salary set at 8 million per year for a top level RT?
Cheesey
6 years ago
Picking up good free agents can really make a difference. Look at the 1996 super bowl team. Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Jackson, Rison, Desmond Howard, all made major impacts. And I bet I’m not even naming all of them. You have to be willing to spend to get the really good players.
Not the “over the hill has been”, but ones that really have a shot at being great.
Letting Cook go and signing an over the hill Graham saved money, but hurt the team big time.
If you are satisfied with mediocre, that’s fine. But if you want championship winning, it won’t fly.
UserPostedImage
beast
6 years ago

The thinking was apparently, that given enough supplemental draft picks, plus UDFA's, with awesome scouting and player selection, you didn't need FA's....and when you have either not so awesome scouting or poor player selection....the rest is history.

Packer History suggests that the addition of key FA's is what is necessary to supplement an imperfect draft outcome. When a team doesn't participate meaningfully in FA, its chances of getting to the top are de minimis.

Originally Posted by: KRK 

Except the Packers did have a few key FA's under Thompson, such as Woodson, Pickett, Peppers... so apparently the thinking was NOT that you don't need FA's... just that you need them to either be elite or at the right price point.

Which the entire NFL (as a whole) has seemingly gone more towards that Thompson model ... getting younger, less expensive players, because the cap limit is a problem (this also hurts more complex schemes (such as MM's) which need players together longer to form chemistry and read and all be on the same page. But back to the NFL getting younger...

According to research by the Associated Press, the average NFL roster is getting younger, which means older players (who earn more money) are having a harder time finding and keeping jobs.

The study showed that the average experience of a player on an NFL opening-day rosters was 4.6 years in 2005, and was 4.3 this year.

In 2005, there were 784 players with three years of experience or less and 714 with five or more years. This season, there were 852 of the younger ones and 644 of the older ones.

Effectively, that points to the shrinking middle class in the NFL, as teams increasingly choose to pay a few stars, and fill in the roster with cheaper alternatives than guys who have been around.

“You don’t really have a lot of middle-class older guys. It’s actually kind of sad,” Lions safety Glover Quin said.

profootballtalk.nbcsports  wrote:







This post is pretty ironic, because you're complaining about the Packers not willing to spend money to get really good players and TEs, when actually the Packers did spend money pretty good money in attempts to get really good TEs.

Also you're mistaken about the saving money part... it actually cost more money. Cook contract was cheaper than Bennett and Graham contract.

So you're complaining about what the Packers did, suggesting it leads to mediocre, but at the very same time, promoting exactly what the Packers did, hinting that it'll lead to championship winning...

UserPostedImage
Cheesey
6 years ago
Ok Beast. How about-maybe having people that are better at deciding if a player is still good, and not a huge waste of money?
Many people on this site said they thought Graham was done, not anywhere near what he once was. Yet the “big wigs” in Green Bay thought he was worth big bucks. Yet Cook, who had proved his worth was was allowed to walk.
So obviously money is not the point, but ability by your guys to be better at SPENDING said money. To be better at judging talent, and not waiting until the best FA’s are already signed by other teams. Not being afraid to jump in and grab some players that can really matter to your team.
There.....is that better?
UserPostedImage
beast
6 years ago

Ok Beast. How about-maybe having people that are better at deciding if a player is still good, and not a huge waste of money?
Many people on this site said they thought Graham was done, not anywhere near what he once was. Yet the “big wigs” in Green Bay thought he was worth big bucks. Yet Cook, who had proved his worth was was allowed to walk.
So obviously money is not the point, but ability by your guys to be better at SPENDING said money. To be better at judging talent, and not waiting until the best FA’s are already signed by other teams. Not being afraid to jump in and grab some players that can really matter to your team.
There.....is that better?

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

Um, well based on rumors, they wanted to sign Cook and tried hard to resign Cook... until he (or more likely his agent) played hardball with price too much and out priced his market... where Cook and Bennett were both asking for $7 million per year and Bennett had graded up much better (due to much better blocking) and so the Packers signed the TE who had graded out better for about the same price as Cook was demanding... and Cook FINALLY later lower his price to $5.3 million per year. But the Packers might of been willing to sign Cook to $5.5 million, but his (or his agents) demands were higher...

So the Packers did exactly what you said... they didn't wait until the best FA TE (in their grades) signed by another team, and we're not being afraid to jump in and sign Bennett and letting Cook and his equally high contract demands go.

Clearly in hindsight that was a HUGE mistake... but at the time, it seemed like they had an upgrade. And Cook had to settle for an amount that the Packers might of agreed to, but at the time they weren't.

And Tony Romo (who seems to be right about a lot of stuff) thought Graham would be huge for the Packers... and I think he was on pace for close to 1,000 yards before his knee injury.

Speaking of Bennett: Marcesdes Lewis was on Bennett's talk show... and Bennett said McCarthy's offense was the worst offense for TEs, and Lewis followed in agreement saying "no question" (about that). Bennett's reasoning was that the TEs don't run the seam, deep 7 nor deep over routes in MM's offense, which are very successful for TEs in other offenses. Also Rodgers likes to throw to the outside, and avoids the middle more. But they also talk about Rodgers throwing.

Here for video of Lewis/Bennett (warning there is cussing)
https://sports.yahoo.com/watch-week-18-mostly-football-martellus-bennett-yahoo-sports-192146936.html 

Lewis interview starts at 46:22. Packer talk Ends 52:10.
Locker room/Aaron Rodgers talk begins at 49:22.
Lewis explains why he wants to come back to Green Bay next season. 55:00.





https://sports.yahoo.com/watch-week-18-mostly-football-martellus-bennett-yahoo-sports-192146936.html 
UserPostedImage
gbguy20
6 years ago
Cheeses has a point. The Jimmy signing was a huge bust and many people said that before he even played a game here.
BAD EMAIL because the address couldn ot be found, or is unable to receive mail.
Zero2Cool
6 years ago

Also you're mistaken about the saving money part... it actually cost more money. Cook contract was cheaper than Bennett and Graham contract.

So you're complaining about what the Packers did, suggesting it leads to mediocre, but at the very same time, promoting exactly what the Packers did, hinting that it'll lead to championship winning...

Originally Posted by: beast 



Are you sure? I thought the two year deal Martellus signed was less than Cook? Or are you saying percent of cap not dollar figures?
UserPostedImage
KRK
  • KRK
  • Veteran Member
6 years ago
Beast said

Except the Packers did have a few key FA's under Thompson, such as Woodson, Pickett, Peppers... so apparently the thinking was NOT that you don't need FA's... just that you need them to either be elite or at the right price point.

which is precisely why I had wriiten “Packer history suggests....”


In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK
Zero2Cool
6 years ago
I still think Howard Green was one of the best 2010 free agent pickups. If it wasn't for his push in XLV, Ben doesn't lob an easy pick six for Nick Collins. Okay, the interception was easy, the return was magical.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
dfosterf (2h) : Or, if not in that mood, Tommy Emanuel plays Classical Gas on his guitar. I swear to God it's almost like he bends it
dfosterf (3h) : This goes out to WPR as well. Lucy Thomas sings Unchained Melody by the Rightous Brothers. All I can say is, wow
dfosterf (3h) : Got the reference, as usual. I think you have to have a few miles on you to get it, props to you! My thank you is to make a suggestion. ..
Martha Careful (4h) : never spectacular, but well above average in my day!!! My draft picks, however outstanding.
Martha Careful (4h) : never spectacular, but well above average in my day!!! My draft picks, however outstanding.
dfosterf (4h) : But not real? (Sidra in Seinfeld reference)
Martha Careful (5h) : OK Zero, used a draft simulator and have posted my picks. They are spectacular
Zero2Cool (5h) : AI probably like meh I say bad idea, but you gonna do it anyway!!!
Zero2Cool (5h) : dfosfter, I asked AI if I should do something, it recommended I do not, then showed me how to do it anyway.
Zero2Cool (7h) : Yeah, beast you got it right. not sure what the heck i was reading
Zero2Cool (7h) : Oh wow, I read something way wrong. Vikings did NOT send 2nd.
Zero2Cool (7h) : That's how I feel about it when I think of doing X, I then do Y!
dfosterf (8h) : I'm here to help. Give me your options, I will make my suggestion, then you can do the opposite
Zero2Cool (9h) : Mainly because I cannot make a friggin decision.
Zero2Cool (9h) : Creating forum is much harder than expected haha
beast (11h) : 49ers got two picks (one in 2025, and 2026), Vikings got a RB and one lower 2025 pick
beast (11h) : Huh? Vikings have the same amount of 2025 picks as before the 49ers trade... and their 2nd round pick is with the Bills from '24 draft trade
Zero2Cool (14h) : Vikings have just four picks now. They shipped their 2nd to 49ers.
beast (23h) : 49ers sure didn't get much for him...
Zero2Cool (16-Mar) : TRADE The 49ers are trading RB Jordan Mason to the Vikings.
Zero2Cool (16-Mar) : and Vikings say JJ is QB1
beast (16-Mar) : Rumors: Steelers and Giants are waiting on Rodgers answer, while Rodgers is waiting on the Vikings answer, Rodgers wants Vikings
beast (15-Mar) : Then maybe they'll be paying you to stop
Zero2Cool (15-Mar) : you really really do not want to see me dance
beast (15-Mar) : Ookay, get up on the pole and start dancing, and I'll try to send people over to give you $1 bills
Zero2Cool (15-Mar) : I'm an issue. Throw money at me, I will go away.
beast (15-Mar) : Bears have thrown a lot of money and draft picks at QBs and haven't found one (though maybe they finally have now)
beast (15-Mar) : Throwing money and draft picks at issues don't necessarily fix an issue
TheKanataThrilla (15-Mar) : I keep on hearing pass rush, but it astounds me how much $$ we have invested and draft picks and still don't have one.
TheKanataThrilla (15-Mar) : Hope we don't avoid someone like Christian Gonzalez which would have been a real gift last season.
TheKanataThrilla (15-Mar) : There always seems to be a high draft pick that slips and is there when we pick.
Zero2Cool (15-Mar) : Aaron Rodgers hopes to sign with the Vikings, per Mike Silver.
Zero2Cool (15-Mar) : You're not gonna go for what your board says? Just straight up positions?
Martha Careful (15-Mar) : my drafts would be OL DL and CB centric. Preferably from power 4 conferences who have started 2+ years
Mucky Tundra (15-Mar) : How much of that is guaranteed?
Zero2Cool (14-Mar) : $45m over three years. Yikes.
dfosterf (14-Mar) : Seahawks sign Cooper Kupp
Zero2Cool (14-Mar) : Colts sign CB Corey Ballentine.
dfosterf (14-Mar) : At least give it some spins in your mocks. Not Martha, she's disqualified, lol
dfosterf (14-Mar) : You have to like Tyliek Williams DL from Ohio State to agree with me on this
dfosterf (14-Mar) : quality dl in the 2nd and quality edge in the 3rd
dfosterf (14-Mar) : Taking Mathew Golden WR in the 1st is consistently working out for me in getting q
Zero2Cool (14-Mar) : LB Eric Wilson to Vikings
Zero2Cool (13-Mar) : Hobbs said Jaire reached out and congratulated him.
Martha Careful (13-Mar) : ditto, I wish nothing but the best for AJ Diilan and Josh Myers. and yes dfosterf, you are correct
Mucky Tundra (12-Mar) : Love AJ but it was time to move on. Also, gonna be interesting to see how he does behind Phillys oline
Mucky Tundra (12-Mar) : Josh Myers to the Jets one a one year, 3.5 million dollar deal
dfosterf (12-Mar) : Wish nothing but the best for AJ Dillon!
Zero2Cool (12-Mar) : Eagles landed AJ Dillon
wpr (12-Mar) : The Packers did not tender restricted free agent John FitzPatrick. The tight end played in nine games after signing with Green Bay
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM
Eagles
Recent Topics
5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

6h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

9h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

15-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

15-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

13-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

12-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

11-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

10-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

10-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

6-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

6-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

4-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

4-Mar / Random Babble / Martha Careful

Headlines