Zero2Cool
6 years ago
Who else we missing?

HC: Matt LaFleur - 39

OC: Nathaniel Hackett - 39
DC: Mike Pettine - 52
ST: Shawn Mennenga

QB: Luke Getsy - 34
RB: Ben Sirmans -
WR: Alvis Whitted
TE: Justin Outten
OL: Adam Stenavich - 35

DL: Jerry Montgomery - 39
ILB: Kirk Olivadotti - 45
OLB: Mike Smith  - 37
DB: Jason Simmons (was secondary coach, report says he's being retained)
Assistant DB: Ryan Downard

Assistant ST: Maurice Drayton

Assistant Defensive Quality Control: Christian Parker
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Smokey
6 years ago
So far, so good. Looks like a quality collection. ST needs a great coach too.



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gbguy20
6 years ago
So we need an RB, WR, and 2 ST coaches. Lets finish this up.
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Nonstopdrivel
6 years ago
It's still early in the process, and titles could be further shuffled as the preseason progresses (or held out for retention purposes next year), but at this point, it looks to me as though the leadership structure under LeFleur is going to be simplified compared the last few years under McCarthy. Far fewer convoluted job titles of questionable significance are being handed out. I don't know how important that actually is in terms of the day-to-day operations of the team, but I don't see how it could be a bad thing. In my experience, the more you can prevent turf battles from breaking out in an organization, the more you can prevent people from staking out fiefdoms and siloing themselves, the more effective and efficient you become at accomplishing the mission.
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beast
6 years ago

Who else we missing?

LB: Kirk Olivadotti - 45

??: Jason Simmons (was secondary coach, report says he's being retained)

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


It depends if they're going to break the OLB/ILB and CB/S roles apart or keep them all under one label... but even then they usually have an assistant even if they are kept together.

Olivadotti was ILB coach on the Redskins

But WR coach, ST coordinator and many assistants at minimum

So we need an RB, WR, and 2 ST coaches. Lets finish this up.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 


I believe it was reported we are retaining MM's RB coach.

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beast
6 years ago
Oh wow, new TE coach (despite hearing we weren't changing)... and sometimes coaching is a very small world.



Matt LaFleur and tight ends coach Brian Angelichio are not going to be working together.

To replace Angeltichio, LaFleur is taking a chance on Justin Outten, a quality control/assistant offensive line coach who was coaching in high school three years ago. LaFleur and Outten worked together in Atlanta in 2016 when LaFleur was quarterbacks coach and Outten was an offensive intern.

packersnews.com/  wrote:



So new TE coach Justin Outten knows LaFleur... but who else?

Well reportedly Outten's high school head coach was none other than Mike Pettine's SR (
(who passed shortly after his son joined the Packers as defense coordinator) 

Outten then went to Syracuse, where his head coach was Paul Pasqualoni (currently the Lions defensive coordinator)

Then he got a new head coach at Syracuse, Greg Robinson, who was the defensive coordinator for Mike Shanahan's Broncos, and in 2015 DC for San Jose State where OL coach Adam Stenavich was working (now Packers head coach)


I believe it was reported we are retaining MM's RB coach.

Originally Posted by: beast 

So that's unofficially, like we were unofficial keeping the old TE coach... so ignore what I said until we hear it officially


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Nonstopdrivel
6 years ago
It would seem that this coaching staff is going to be chock full of fast risers and Wunderkinder. I'm not sure if that excites me or makes me feel a little wary. Seems like a high-risk-high-reward sort of gambit. On the one hand, it could be a mass confluence of young, innovative talent putting their bright minds together. On the other hand, it could end up being a catastrophic object lesson in the Peter Principle.
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6 years ago
Beast said

It depends if they're going to break the OLB/ILB and CB/S roles apart or keep them all under one label...


I hope not.

Perhaps I am too old school in my thinking, but I believe if you play corner, you damn well better know what’s going on at safety and vica versa.

Same with outside linebacker and inside linebacker. People get injured, people get traded midyear. People need to know how to play multiple positions.

In fact, I think every secondary position player should know everybody else’s assignment on every play. I will bet you the Patriot players do. It’s part of being a cohesive defense.

It seems to me that this cohesion is lost when you have so many specialty coaches.

It simply isn’t that hard to know what the hell you’re supposed to do.
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beast
6 years ago

Beast said
I hope not.

Perhaps I am too old school in my thinking, but I believe if you play corner, you damn well better know what’s going on at safety and vica versa.

Same with outside linebacker and inside linebacker. People get injured, people get traded midyear. People need to know how to play multiple positions.

In fact, I think every secondary position player should know everybody else’s assignment on every play. I will bet you the Patriot players do. It’s part of being a cohesive defense.

It seems to me that this cohesion is lost when you have so many specialty coaches.

It simply isn’t that hard to know what the hell you’re supposed to do.

Originally Posted by: KRK 



Even if you don't split them, there is still an assist where the two groups split up when focus on different things. So I honestly don't think it makes a difference other than one or two head position voices.

And they all have to learn about nickel and dime which is a tweeter position... so I think they are supposed to learn that stuff either way.

Though I do think 3-4 OLB is more like the DL pass rushing than traditional LBers.
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Zero2Cool
6 years ago

Even if you don't split them, there is still an assist where the two groups split up when focus on different things. So I honestly don't think it makes a difference other than one or two head position voices.

And they all have to learn about nickel and dime which is a tweeter position... so I think they are supposed to learn that stuff either way.

Though I do think 3-4 OLB is more like the DL pass rushing than traditional LBers.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Look at teams that have a consistent good pass rush. They have a solid DL that makes their OLB better. Rarely do you see the OLB carrying the load like that. Let's get a stout DL and build outwards.
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