buckeyepackfan
5 years ago

Perhaps part of the problem was that, in the past, one did not have to bring their "A game" to camp, practice, meetings or whatever...i.e. complacency and entitlement.

I hope Lafleur understands that you only get one chance to establish a tight ship and expectation of excellence and commitment.

Originally Posted by: KRK 



Let me make something perfectly clear.

Lack of effort by the players who joined the team via The Ted Thompson era has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with these changes.
This is what GM'S do.
They build THEIR team.

There are 2 big differences between when Ted took over and when Gutey replaced him.

1. Ted was given full control.
He didn't fire Mike Sherman his 1st year, he started eliminating the high priced players and building his team.
He actually signed Sherman to an extension, then fired him after 2005.
Gutey was not given full control.
When things turned sour he was forced to fire Mike McCarthy in the middle of the season
Thankfully it now appears Gutey is now being given the chance to do what he wants.

2. Ted inherited Brett Favre and the qb position was somewhat secure.
He waited 3 years to reset with Aaron Rodgers.
Teds had the vision in 2005, that 23 other GM's didn't have to draft Aaron, when there was not an immediate need to do so.
Gutey is secure in knowing Aaron is locked up for the next 4-5 years and can concentrate on building a winning team around him.

It's going on 15 years since The Packers had to go through a reset.
Go back and look and you will find that what Gutey is doing isn't a whole lot difference than what Ted did.
We as fans can only hope The Packers find similar success under Gutey with one exception, maybe a few more trips to The SB.

Remember the 1st thing ANY team needs to do to win The SB is to maake the playoffs! 😁
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5 years ago
Thanks bucky for getting it all organized.
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5 years ago
Buckeye bantered:

Lack of effort by the players who joined the team via The Ted Thompson era has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with these changes.

I disagree with this part of your excellent write up. To elaborate, I think that your points both about the Thompson Gutey differences and about any GM bringing in their own guys are excellent AND there has been a lack of accountability.

When one is complacent, he lacks effort...he/they have a feeling of "quiet pleasure or security, often while unaware of some potential danger, defect, or the like; self-satisfaction or smug satisfaction with an existing situation, condition, etc."

To wit:

Packers Wire...By: Zach Kruse | January 10, 2019 3:34 pm ET On Wednesday, team president Mark Murphy explained how the council, which included quarterback Aaron Rodgers and players from eight different position groups, voiced a common desire for more accountability and the purging of complacency among both coaches and players.

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“I think they wanted somebody that would hold players accountable,” Murphy said, per ESPN’s Rob Demovsky. “And the other thing that, and Brian can speak to this as well, he was there, [the players] talked a little bit about how they felt a complacency had set in among some players and coaches. So in my mind, that was something that as we went through the process, was kind of in the back of my mind, is there something we can do that can kind of shake people up so we don’t have the complacency.”



So IMO, it is both bringing in your own guys, particularly to a new system AND a lack of effort/complacency.
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Pack93z
5 years ago
A couple of UDFA's that are going to make some noise in their careers...

TJ Edwards - ILB - Signed with Philly - Have no idea why he wasn't drafted... instinctive player.
Olive Sagapolu - NT - Eater of blocks, stout. Old school NT. Still Free.

340lbs Plus... dude can play.






My homer-ism aside... these are 2 players that will have productive careers in the NFL.

Was hoping for both in GB... maybe 1.. who am I kidding... we avoid Wisconsin players in Wisconsin. DOH!
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Zero2Cool
5 years ago

Was hoping for both in GB... maybe 1.. who am I kidding... we avoid Wisconsin players in Wisconsin. DOH!

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Ted Thompson was scared that growing up rooting for the Green Bay Packers and then playing for them could be too much pressure for them. At least, that's what I read.

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nerdmann
5 years ago

Ted Thompson was scared that growing up rooting for the Green Bay Packers and then playing for them could be too much pressure for them. At least, that's what I read.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Ted brought in more Badgers than I remember previous GMs bringing in. Drafted Abbrederis for one.
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Cheesey
5 years ago
There are Badgers that played for other teams that have made it big time.
Joe Thomas, JJ Watt, and many more.
It just seems the Packers never take a chance on one early in the draft.
Badger 0 line men always seem to be really good. One reason why they always seem to have a great running game.
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