Smokey
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6 years ago
I have heard that GB's new HC would be bringing a fresh offensive philosophy to the Packers. Yet I could not get a clear vision of this new system until now. I found this ESPN article that looked into the McVey/Shanahan offensive system that Coach LaFleur will be installing. I would not even consider placing this or any other article before this forum unless I felt that it was important.

http://www.espn.com/blog/san-francisco-49ers/post/_/id/32694/inside-the-dynamic-plays-and-schemes-built-by-shanahan-and-mcvay 

I invite all to post your comments, opinions, thoughts, etc. Thank You .
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beast
6 years ago
It's very nice to see the plan designs on paper, though those look like a lot of two routes, where I'm pretty sure they'll have some with more routes too.

But seems like they all have 2WRs, 1TE, 1RB and a flexible on the last position depending on the roster.
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Smokey
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6 years ago

It's very nice to see the plan designs on paper, though those look like a lot of two routes, where I'm pretty sure they'll have some with more routes too.

But seems like they all have 2WRs, 1TE, 1RB and a flexible on the last position depending on the roster.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Perhaps you have overlooked the core principle of the new system that LaFleur will be implementing. 95% of the offensive plays will be run from the same set. This does not tip off the opposing defense and allows the QB to change the play, at the line, if he sees an advantage or because the play is doomed to fail. Seeing the same offensive set each time places a special advantage with the offense.
EX: The Bears have shown a tendency to drop into a certain pass coverage when a team has a 2nd and 6 to 8 yards to go when the ball is located between the 40 yard lines. Knowing this the offense can target the weakness in the expected defense without tipping off the play.

You will see the Rams run this system on Sunday against the Saints. The loss of slot receiver Cooper Kupp, while a bad thing, will be filled by another. It should also be remembered that the Rams Defense, being completely separate from the offense, must rely on a system of it's own. Therefor while both the Rams/Saints will field very good offenses, it will be the stronger play of Drew Brees that will edge the Saints past the Rams (IMO).

The point however is that GB's new offensive system will look very much like the Rams. The more observant among us will pay close attention with an eye as to how GB's players will look when this system is put in place there. Adjustments will naturally need to be made to take advantage of player skills and strengths.
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beast
6 years ago

Perhaps you have overlooked the core principle of the new system that LaFleur will be implementing.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 

Nope, you just misunderstood what I was trying to say...

But it's extremely ironic that you just talked down to me about overlooking the scheme, when just 9 hours ago you were complaining about us looking at potential FAs without knowing the scheme... so congratulations, you learned the scheme in 9 hours!

You know that or you were hypocritical complaining to me both ways...

While I agree that knowing who the FAs are is important, if you are unaware of the system that is looking to find FAs that will fit it is another. For GB I'm mainly referring to the new offensive system that HC LaFleur will be installing. It will place more emphasis in some areas and less in others. That said, the player personal will help to determine GB's new look as it is not based upon a rigid set of well known plays that are very predictable. The McVey/Shanahan derived system basically operates from the same formation sets, but is highly unpredictable as most of the plays start out looking the same until the play begins. Defenses can't read any tendencies from the offense that tip them off to what is coming their way.

I posted another thread that better explains LaFleur's offensive system, but only he and his offensive staff really know how/and with who they will remake GB's offense. The GB defense is a completely separate issue moving forward and FAs most likely will play an important role as Coach Pettine enters his second season with the team. I see need with an Edge Rusher, Safety, and Linebacker. Those weaknesses must also be high on the GM's list as well.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 


Perhaps you have overlooked the core principle of the new system that LaFleur will be implementing. 95% of the offensive plays will be run from the same set. This does not tip off the opposing defense and allows the QB to change the play, at the line, if he sees an advantage or because the play is doomed to fail. Seeing the same offensive set each time places a special advantage with the offense.
EX: The Bears have shown a tendency to drop into a certain pass coverage when a team has a 2nd and 6 to 8 yards to go when the ball is located between the 40 yard lines. Knowing this the offense can target the weakness in the expected defense without tipping off the play.

You will see the Rams run this system on Sunday against the Saints. The loss of slot receiver Cooper Kupp, while a bad thing, will be filled by another. It should also be remembered that the Rams Defense, being completely separate from the offense, must rely on a system of it's own. Therefor while both the Rams/Saints will field very good offenses, it will be the stronger play of Drew Brees that will edge the Saints past the Rams (IMO).

The point however is that GB's new offensive system will look very much like the Rams. The more observant among us will pay close attention with an eye as to how GB's players will look when this system is put in place there. Adjustments will naturally need to be made to take advantage of player skills and strengths.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 





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gbguy20
6 years ago
Whoa whoa beast. If you call Smokey a hypocrite he will leave the chat room as soon as you arrive. I don't know if you consider that a good thing or a bad thing but I figure you should be warned. I wish I would have learned that trick sooner.
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buckeyepackfan
6 years ago
Me thinks there's a lot of personal views attacking going on around here lately.

Whatever happened to give you're opinion, agree or disagree with othet posters then moving on?
As far as Lefluers philosophy, I hope he comes out of training camp having everyone guessing what the offense and defense philosophoes are.

This is the time of misinformation!

Something else I hope this regime is as good or better than the last!
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beast
6 years ago

Whoa whoa beast. If you call Smokey a hypocrite he will leave the chat room as soon as you arrive. I don't know if you consider that a good thing or a bad thing but I figure you should be warned. I wish I would have learned that trick sooner.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



General I really like Smokey and his spirit... I just don't like it when I feel he is trying to talk down to me... such as

if you are unaware of the system

Perhaps you have overlooked


and we got some negative history over this and talking about scheme (3-4 DL thou but still).


I just found it silly that I basically tried to say what he said.... and he tried to correct me.

the player personal will help to determine GB's new look

These are Smokey's words, but it's the same as I was trying to say, Packers personal will help to determine the flexible position, if it's 3 WRs, 2 TEs or whatever they choose.

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KRK
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6 years ago
Boys, let's be nice.

I like the fact that we are trying to scheme guys open as receivers running fast, quick breaking routes.

I also hope that we change things up and not allow things to get stale.
In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK
gbguy20
6 years ago
Thanks for the article.
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Smokey
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6 years ago
It is true that I did not understand about HC LaFleur's offensive philosophy, but then I found the ESPN article that explained it to me. Rather than keep it to myself, I decided that it was important enough to open this thread to share it. Knowledge afterall is the foundation of understanding. So how can one say just what players GB's offense should pursue without knowing about how it will operate.

Ex: LaFleur's offensive sys. will depend upon a TE/TEs that can block well. Jimmy Graham does not block well and may be traded to open up space for a TE/TEs that do block well (and catch too). My newly acquired understanding of GB's new offensive sys. has allowed me to feel confident about this.

Some forum members should learn the difference between debating an issue and a personal attack. Stating a point of view based on supporting evidence is the whole idea behind making a case for one's beliefs. Vulgar language, uncontrolled adolescent behavior, and trying to bully others is not why I enjoy this forum, so when it is displayed, I choose to not support it. Not displaying the post of known troublemakers is a first step to not allowing them to bother you with their juvenile remarks. Exiting a Chat room when they enter does not allow for the escalation of petty schoolyard postering. Others in the past have not learned how to act within a forums rules and some are not around anymore.

http://www.espn.com/blog/san-fr...lt-by-shanahan-and-mcvay 

Again, I strongly recommend reading this article. 😎

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