sschind
5 years ago

In the right situation, I think Aaron Rodgers could absolutely win another Championship, maybe two. Give him a defensive lead team with solid coaching that doesn't ask him to do too much, and he'd be hard to stop.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing Rodgers traded. Not because I think he sucks or I don't like him. I just don't think he's going to win another Super Bowl in Green Bay, and I think it'd be awesome to see him win one more, even if it is somewhere else (if the Packers can't win it that year). He has his issues, but I'm still a big fan. I'm surprised Rodgers didn't structure his contact to give him more flexibility for evaluating other options late in his career, if needed. Why not?

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Three words "a bazillion dollars"
sschind
5 years ago

The Packers can absolutely win with that contract. It would take shred cap management, cutting under performing players, substantial player development, home run draft, a few high-value free agency pick ups, and STAYING RELATIVELY HEALTHY.

I agree that all of these things happening is unlikely. But if the Packers have a great off season, stay pretty healthy, and Rodgers returns to "Very good" play, the Packers will be contenders. That's certainly not impossible.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



That's the key. We can win with his contract if he plays like MVP candidate Aaron Rodgers. health is probably the next key.

gbguy20
5 years ago

I'm surprised Rodgers didn't structure his contact to give him more flexibility for evaluating other options late in his career, if needed. Why not?

DoddPower wrote:



Why would the team agree to that?
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DoddPower
5 years ago

Why would the team agree to that?

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



I think Aaron could have made it happened if he really wanted to. It may say something about his commitment to the Packers that he didn't push harder, or perhaps he did and the Packers held the line.
Zero2Cool
5 years ago
Packers didn't have to offer a contract. He had a year or two plus two years as franchise.
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DoddPower
5 years ago

That's the key. We can win with his contract if he plays like MVP candidate Aaron Rodgers. health is probably the next key.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



For the past several years, my point is been that Aaron Rodgers shouldn't HAVE to play like an MVP candidate for the Packers to be a serious contender. It's a ridiculous expectation to say the only way the Packers will have a chance is it their quarterback plays like the best player in the league.

The Packers need to have a decent and dependable defense that can win games for the Packers, especially in the playoffs. Rodgers has needed this throughout his career, and the lack of it has likely contributed to him feeling he needs to carry the team on his back instead of trusting others. I think the defense is on the right track coach wise, but they must find multiple better players or nothing will change.
Rockmolder
5 years ago
That was one heck of an in-depth analysis by Prime.

Amazing how 95% of programming on NFL Network, or any half-time show on any network, has regressed to 2 to 6 guys shouting over eachother and laughing at themsevles, yet the NFL Playbook segments per team are max 4 minutes long per week, per team, if you're lucky.

Maybe I'm just getting old.

Anyway, this is complete bullshit, of course. I think it's pretty safe to say that Aaron will have another 3 good years in him. I know he's taking a bit more sacks than most QBs, but he also sat out the first 3 years. Add to that the consantly improving training regimes and how long guys like Brees (39), Brady (41), Manning (38 his last good year) and Favre (39 his amazing Vikings-year) are playing and have been playing well, and I feel like that's a pretty decent assumption.

This year, the Saints look like one of the best teams in the league, while going 7-9 just in 2015. The Cardinals look like the worst team in the league, while going 13-3 just 3 years ago. The Bears were 6-10 and in 4th place in the NFC North, the exact same place we're in now, yet are the number 3 seed for the NFC this year at 10-4. It's nearly impossible to predict ahead 3 years in the NFL.

Our roster isn't as talented as most figured before the season, but it's also far from barren. LDT makes a good point about the young secondary, our defensive line is a pretty darn good one when healthy and even the young guys have risen to the occasion so far.

If we can finally, after 10 years, get a decent pass rush going and get more than one good receiver on the field, we're right back in it. Things you might be able to accomplish in a big part through the draft.

I'm just hoping we're going into experimental mode from here on out and don't ruin our draft position by winning two meaningless games. Drop two more and with a bit of luck you're just outside the top 5 and in the Josh Allen sweepstakes.

Win two more and all of a sudden you're picking around 15 and all the top-notch talent is gone again.

And let's hope the Saints somehow lose in the 1st round of the play-offs in a complete upset. There's some good WR-talent in that mid-20s range.
sschind
5 years ago

For the past several years, my point is been that Aaron Rodgers shouldn't HAVE to play like an MVP candidate for the Packers to be a serious contender. It's a ridiculous expectation to say the only way the Packers will have a chance is it their quarterback plays like the best player in the league.

The Packers need to have a decent and dependable defense that can win games for the Packers, especially in the playoffs. Rodgers has needed this throughout his career, and the lack of it has likely contributed to him feeling he needs to carry the team on his back instead of trusting others. I think the defense is on the right track coach wise, but they must find multiple better players or nothing will change.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



I was talking to all those people who say we are screwed with his contract. If, as they contend, we will not be able to sign the decent and dependable player you say we need because we are paying him so much then yeah, he will have to play like an MVP candidate for us to be a serious contender.

steveishere
5 years ago

I was talking to all those people who say we are screwed with his contract. If, as they contend, we will not be able to sign the decent and dependable player you say we need because we are paying him so much then yeah, he will have to play like an MVP candidate for us to be a serious contender.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



Well at least for next year Rodgers contract isn't preventing us from having 40m in cap space to sign people with. The biggest problem isn't Rodgers not playing like an MVP it's getting absolutely nothing out of high paid guys like Matthews,Perry,Cobb, and high draft investments on defense.

Teams need good players regardless of their contract status and we don't have enough of them right now. The reason for that isn't because we can't afford them (because of Rodgers) it's that we missed too many times on the ones we thought were those guys.
sschind
5 years ago

Well at least for next year Rodgers contract isn't preventing us from having 40m in cap space to sign people with. The biggest problem isn't Rodgers not playing like an MVP it's getting absolutely nothing out of high paid guys like Matthews,Perry,Cobb, and high draft investments on defense.

Teams need good players regardless of their contract status and we don't have enough of them right now. The reason for that isn't because we can't afford them (because of Rodgers) it's that we missed too many times on the ones we thought were those guys.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



That's very true. Rodgers isn't the only one under performing his contract. I say that for those who think his salary is prohibitive and for those who say he is playing like crap.

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