Pack93z
15 years ago
To answer the question.. he is about middle of the road towards the upper end...

There are teams that consistently draft better and there are a greater number that draft well below.

Not every pick shines.. pure in simple.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
MassPackersFan
15 years ago
Who are considered the best drafting teams?
UserPostedImage
Pack93z
15 years ago
I did this once before some time back.. off the top of my head I know Baltimore and Indy were far superior... I know it is in another thread.. I believe this was a topic of conversation last offseason.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
I remember that thread. When I challenged the board to find someone better at drafting than Ted Thompson, Pack93z made a compelling case that Bill Polian is a virtual genius at drafting. While he doesn't hit a home run with every pick, he rarely hits less than a double. It's pretty amazing.
UserPostedImage
MassPackersFan
15 years ago
Indianapolis Colts:

2005:
1. Marlin Jackson (CB). 2007 started all 16 games. Injury in '08? 7 games started. 3 INT in 4 years. Okay pick.
2. Kelvin Hayden (CB). Slow starter, but started 2007 and 2008. 3 INT's in each of those years. More production than Jackson. Good pick?
3. Vincent Burns (DE). No idea what happened to him. Not in the NFL.
4. Dylan Gandy (OG). Ditto. No clue.
4. Matt Giordano (S). Mainly a bench player. Started 5 games in 4 years. Decent performance I guess.
5. Jonathan Welsh (DE). No idea. Not in NFL.
5. Robert Hunt (C). No idea. Not in NFL.
5. Tyjuan Hagler (LB). Another spot player for Indy.
6. Dave Rayner (K). All over the place, but still playing.
7. Anthony Davis (RB). No idea. Not in NFL.

2006:
1. Joseph Addai (RB). Made Pro Bowl. Very solid pick. Replaced James and changed up the tempo of that offense.
2. Tim Jennings (CB). Started 75% of games in 2008. About average.
3. Freddie Keiaho (LB). Starting LB in 2008. Over 100 tackles. Don't know much else about him.
5. Michael Toudouze (OG). No clue. No games played in.
6. Charlie Johnson (OT). 2 year starter. Good value in the 6th.
6. Antoine Bethea (DB). Absolute steal.
7. TJ Rushing (CB). Very little action but still on team.


So yeah... lots of players still on the Indy team from '05 and '06. I'm not sure I would say these drafts are way ahead of ours though.
And wow, 6 DB's in two years.
UserPostedImage
millertime
15 years ago

Indianapolis Colts:

2005:
1. Marlin Jackson (CB). 2007 started all 16 games. Injury in '08? 7 games started. 3 INT in 4 years. Okay pick.
2. Kelvin Hayden (CB). Slow starter, but started 2007 and 2008. 3 INT's in each of those years. More production than Jackson. Good pick?
3. Vincent Burns (DE). No idea what happened to him. Not in the NFL.
4. Dylan Gandy (OG). Ditto. No clue.
4. Matt Giordano (S). Mainly a bench player. Started 5 games in 4 years. Decent performance I guess.
5. Jonathan Welsh (DE). No idea. Not in NFL.
5. Robert Hunt (C). No idea. Not in NFL.
5. Tyjuan Hagler (LB). Another spot player for Indy.
6. Dave Rayner (K). All over the place, but still playing.
7. Anthony Davis (RB). No idea. Not in NFL.

2006:
1. Joseph Addai (RB). Made Pro Bowl. Very solid pick. Replaced James and changed up the tempo of that offense.
2. Tim Jennings (CB). Started 75% of games in 2008. About average.
3. Freddie Keiaho (LB). Starting LB in 2008. Over 100 tackles. Don't know much else about him.
5. Michael Toudouze (OG). No clue. No games played in.
6. Charlie Johnson (OT). 2 year starter. Good value in the 6th.
6. Antoine Bethea (DB). Absolute steal.
7. TJ Rushing (CB). Very little action but still on team.


So yeah... lots of players still on the Indy team from '05 and '06. I'm not sure I would say these drafts are way ahead of ours though.
And wow, 6 DB's in two years.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:



You also have to look at these teams rosters. The great teams (Indy, Pitts, NE) have had the same coaching staff/front office for YEARS. The reason a lot of there later round picks couldn't make the team is because they already had great players at those positions.

For example, we would say that Poppinga is a good pick because he started for 3 seasons and was only a 4th round pick. But if we're honest, Poppinga has pretty much been a starter by default. There was no one else. Same could probably be said about Spitz, Jolly, and College. They've all started for a couple seasons, but mainly by default. I don't think their play as warranted them as great players at the respective positions, but they are better than the other guys on our roster.
MassPackersFan
15 years ago
I think that's true for both the Packers and Colts. A lot of those Colts players aren't exactly borderline Pro Bowl material. The colts had zero pass D, so they drafted 6 DB's. They clearly had to rework nearly their entire O-line too.
UserPostedImage
zombieslayer
15 years ago

I think that's true for both the Packers and Colts. A lot of those Colts players aren't exactly borderline Pro Bowl material. The colts had zero pass D, so they drafted 6 DB's. They clearly had to rework nearly their entire O-line too.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:



So, are the Colts drafting needs instead of BPA?
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
MassPackersFan
15 years ago
I have no idea. I'm not a Colts fan and this is the first time I've looked at their draft picks.

But if you're referring to the whole "TT drafts BPA and not for need" thing, I think that's blown far out of proportion. He isn't going to draft 12 safeties because they were the BPA at that pick. All I think he means is that he doesn't, for instance, go into a draft saying "We need DE, LB, OT, and CB, so I'm drafting the best DE in round 1, the best LB in round 2, the best OT and CB in round 3."
UserPostedImage
porky88
15 years ago
Ultimately the big picture isn't finished for Ted Thompson yet. Bill Polian has been around along time and you can look at his past drafts and it's impressive, but Ted really only has two drafts to really go off of. The other two right now are unknowns in my opinion.

Polian was GM of both Buffalo and Carolina too.

Thompson has been GM of the Packers as long as Rodgers has been a Packer.

Polian has been GM or President of the Colts as long as Peyton Manning has been a Colt.

Put that into perspective when making comparisons. I think if Thompson is half as good as Polian, Green Bay will be in good shape. Right now nobody really knows if that's the case.

Honestly, it's apples and oranges right now. A few years from now and then the comparisons can really take shape.
http://www.row12.com/ 
UserPostedImage
Similar Topics
Users browsing this topic
    Fan Shout
    bboystyle (25-Sep) : Favre using the pitty card during that hearing for his criminal acts
    Zero2Cool (24-Sep) : Former Packers QB Brett Favre recently announced he was diagnosed with Parkinson's.
    Zero2Cool (24-Sep) : The only QBs this season with 0 turnover-worthy plays according to PFF (minimum 30 dropbacks) Aaron Rodgers Malik Willis Justin Fields
    Mucky Tundra (23-Sep) : @DavidBearmanPFN · 18h Vegas has watched Will Levis for 3 weeks and installed them as a 1-point favorite in Miami next week. Let that sink
    Mucky Tundra (23-Sep) : Martha, they did play much better with Dalton yesterday
    Zero2Cool (23-Sep) : Test results on Sam Darnold’s knee showed a knee bruise and no structural damage. He is not expected to miss any time.
    Martha Careful (23-Sep) : Not with Dalton apparently
    Mucky Tundra (23-Sep) : Not sure what to make of the NFC South so far this season (outside of the Panthers being a dumpster fire)
    Mucky Tundra (22-Sep) : of course I say that and then they overturn that play that put them on the 49ers 2 yard line
    Mucky Tundra (22-Sep) : *without
    Mucky Tundra (22-Sep) : Even with Nacua and Kupp out, Rams looking fiesty on offense
    Martha Careful (22-Sep) : Tim Boyle is playing for the Dolphins
    Martha Careful (22-Sep) : I love seeing Dallas lose
    Mucky Tundra (22-Sep) : The Red Rifle is on fire in Las Vegas! 3 TDs in the first half!
    Mucky Tundra (22-Sep) : @mattschneidman · 2m The fire alarm is going off inside the Packers locker room here in Nashville.
    Mucky Tundra (22-Sep) : Gonna need a drink after looking at my picks for the early games in Pick'em
    Zero2Cool (22-Sep) : James Jones. Y’all must not know, Dr. Mackenzie🤣 he was not going to let Jordan love play today.
    Zero2Cool (22-Sep) : Malik to start. Love inactive. Per report. Let's go!!
    buckeyepackfan (22-Sep) : I think J-10VE will be inactive, a little twist that could be put in is run a wildcat with Wicks at qb. Have him as emergency qb if needed.
    Zero2Cool (21-Sep) : I think that's how it works.
    Zero2Cool (21-Sep) : I'd go 3 QB regardless this game.
    Zero2Cool (21-Sep) : Clifford was elevated, not activated. He doesn't play, it doesn't count.
    hardrocker950 (21-Sep) : If Clifford is active, not likely to see Jordan play this weekend
    Mucky Tundra (21-Sep) : QB Sean Clifford and CB Robert Rochell elevated from the PS for the Titans game
    Zero2Cool (20-Sep) : Love questionable. Morgan is out. Valentine is doubtful
    Martha Careful (20-Sep) : Rodgers and Lazard off to a very strong start
    Zero2Cool (19-Sep) : Josh Jacobs. Limited.
    Zero2Cool (19-Sep) : Can't find anything on Jacobs :(
    wpr (19-Sep) : Do you know if they gave Jacobs an extra day off? I hope so.
    Zero2Cool (19-Sep) : WR Jayden Reed (calf) and G Elgton Jenkins (illness/glute) returned after sitting out Wednesday.
    Zero2Cool (19-Sep) : Packers are in pads and so is Jordan Love. Second straight day of practice for QB1.
    bboystyle (18-Sep) : If Love comes back, we win in a blow out
    Zero2Cool (18-Sep) : Jordan Love just spoke with reporters and said he’s giving himself the week but hopeful to play Sunday against the Titans.
    Zero2Cool (18-Sep) : Practicing is Jordan Love!
    Zero2Cool (18-Sep) : Packers are signing WR Cornelius Johnson to the Practice Squad per sources. Johnson was a 7th round pick this year.
    Zero2Cool (17-Sep) : Packers placed RB MarShawn Lloyd on injured reserve.
    Zero2Cool (16-Sep) : Rams won’t have Cooper Kupp or Puka Nacua when they host the Packers in Week 5.
    Mucky Tundra (16-Sep) : Or is that the Rusty Red Rifle because of his age?
    Mucky Tundra (16-Sep) : The Red Rifle Returns!
    Zero2Cool (16-Sep) : Panthers are benching former No. 1 overall pick Bryce Young and starting veteran Andy Dalton beginning this week.
    Mucky Tundra (16-Sep) : bears still have slim chance here
    Mucky Tundra (16-Sep) : and there's another one!
    Mucky Tundra (16-Sep) : oh crap macbob has the Texans K and he keeps hitting these long FGs
    Mucky Tundra (15-Sep) : Hope the Texans beat the brakes off the Bears
    Zero2Cool (15-Sep) : LaFleur: “I asked Malik why he didn’t throw it on that third down and he told me Josh threw up on the ball.”
    Mucky Tundra (15-Sep) : i was wondering why it was just you, me, beast and macbob by the end
    Zero2Cool (15-Sep) : Yeah it was weird today for some reason
    Mucky Tundra (15-Sep) : Oh my, marvin harrison jr might be as good as he was billed out to be
    Mucky Tundra (15-Sep) : and none of the chats on my phone are showing up on the desktop chat
    Mucky Tundra (15-Sep) : weird, i was on my phone for chat during the game but now on my desktop I look at chat and there's tons of chats i didn't see on my phone
    Please sign in to use Fan Shout
    2024 Packers Schedule
    Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
    Eagles
    29 - 34
    Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
    COLTS
    16 - 10
    Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
    Titans
    30 - 14
    Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
    VIKINGS
    Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
    Rams
    Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
    CARDINALS
    Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
    TEXANS
    Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
    Jaguars
    Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
    LIONS
    Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
    Bears
    Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
    49ERS
    Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
    DOLPHINS
    Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
    Lions
    Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
    Seahawks
    Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
    SAINTS
    Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM
    Vikings
    Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM
    BEARS
    Recent Topics
    5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    25-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

    25-Sep / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

    25-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

    25-Sep / GameDay Threads / wpr

    24-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    23-Sep / Around The NFL / Martha Careful

    23-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    23-Sep / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

    23-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

    23-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    23-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    22-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

    21-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    18-Sep / Random Babble / wpr

    Headlines
    Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.