Is Ted Thompson good at drafting?· Page 2

shield4life
Veteran Member

16 years ago

#11

A.J. Hawk will be great this year or the next you will see.

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Dulak
Veteran Member

16 years ago

#12

Nice analysis -

My 2 picks I focus on are the harrell pick and the hawk. Both underachievers IMO (dont even have to mention harrell - that vid that is floating around here speaks louder then my words).

Well have to see how hawk does in the new 3-4 setup.

Chillar is my man for coverage skills (watched a few games over again and I liked his style). I really like barnett also but well have to see how he does after his op.

We have some really good picks this year - I expect us to get some good people.

MassPackersFan
Member

16 years ago

#13

:lol: We do have some good picks. I'm excited and mortified about #9. Second round and third round will just be fun, but I have no idea what GB is going to pull out of their butts with the 9th pick. I'm trying to throw as big of a net as possible for who I *want* at that pick, because it's damn near a crap shoot from an outsider's perspective.

And I just want Harrell to stay healthy this year so we can see what we got out of that pick...

warhawk
Senior Member

16 years ago

#14

The entire 08 draft is an incomplete right now.

The 07 draft is in it's make or break year.

Beyond that we only have two drafts to really look at.

2005

1 Aaron Rodgers -Franchise QB whether some like it or not and he was found in the late part of the first round. I would say he's the make or break player of this regime, but overall, GB seems to have gotten solid value.

2 Nick Collins - Another solid pick. He was a starter since his rookie season and has been a fairly good safety. Last year he was great at times. It will hurt if he walks.

2 Terrence Murphy - Incomplete

4 Marviel Underwood - Miss

4 Brady Poppinga - Solid pick. Fourth rounder who is a three year starter at SAM. Excellent value when you think about it.

5 Junius Coston - Below average. He did start a few games and did contribute some up until this past season. It's a miss, but not a terrible miss.

5 Michael Hawkins - This is a terrible miss.

6 Mike Montgomery - Not bad considering the round he was taken in. We'll see how he fits this defense. I don't think he does, but he's certainly not a bust. A decent depth filling late round pick.

6 Craig Bragg - Miss

7 Kurt Campbell - Miss

7 William Whitticker - Miss

2006

1 A.J. Hawk - Decent so far. This is a make or break season for Hawk. He's not a bust because he's not a washout. It could be worse. GB could of taken a guy like Vernon Davis who by all accounts is a bust. Michael Huff is a bust too. Hawk is just okay. Not worth the value of this pick, but at least it's something.

2 Daryn Colledge - I would say decent again. He's a starter since his rookie year. I don't think he's that great, but a starter in round two is what you look for.

2 Greg Jennings - This is Thompson's best selection of his GM career so far. Of course Rodgers could change that, but Jennings is the best weapon GB has.

3 Abdul Hodge - Miss

3 Jason Spitz - 3rd rounder who has been a starter since his rookie season and is in the running to start at one of the three interior spots again this season. Solid pick.

4 Cory Rodgers - Miss

4 Will Blackmon - Return man who has helped on special teams. I would say pretty good pick.

5 Ingle Martin - Miss

5 Tony Moll - Solid depth since his rookie season. Has started as well. I think a decent pick for a 5th rounder.

6 Johnny Jolly - Starter who has flashed capabilities before. Can't ask much more from a 6th rounder.

6 Tyrone Culver - Miss

7 Dave Tollefson - Miss for GB, but depth for NYG.

11 misses out of 23 picks.

I would give his drafting a solid B, but closer to a B- than a B+.

"porky88" wrote:

I think it has to be considered how many misses on this list came from the 5th round on up. Late rounds are going to be hit or miss and Ted Thompson has picked up his share.

I think the other thing to consider is what the talent level overall was in some of those drafts. 2007, for example, was a class considered very weak with the second half of the first round labled as second rounders in an ordinary draft year.

In those upper rounds your basically taking a flyer hoping you get more than you would normally expect. I mean these guys don't last that late without good reason. I expect Ted Thompson will do his damage with the four picks in the top 83, MAYBE come up with a good one out of four or five, and with six and seven take a shot at somebody that might just surprise you and make the team or practice squad.

The bottom line is if your starting rotation and/or roster is loaded up with 5th,6th, or 7th round picks, I doubt the team is any good.

"The train is leaving the station."

vegOmatic
Registered

16 years ago

#15

You have to admire someone who trades up for a punter.

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ILikeThePackers39
Registered

16 years ago

#16

:lol: We do have some good picks. I'm excited and mortified about #9. Second round and third round will just be fun, but I have no idea what GB is going to pull out of their butts with the 9th pick. I'm trying to throw as big of a net as possible for who I *want* at that pick, because it's damn near a crap shoot from an outsider's perspective.

And I just want Harrell to stay healthy this year so we can see what we got out of that pick...

"MassPackersFan" wrote:

Hells, yes. Not because I want Thomson somehow "vindicated", though - the kid's got so damn much potential, I'd love for him to break out, because that would make a huge difference for the D this year.

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MassPackersFan
Member

16 years ago

#17

Yeah, I mean... I want it a little bit for Harrell's own sake (can't be fun having core/back injuries nagging you while an entire fan base gets down on you), but mainly I just want to see him help us out at DL.

Pack93z
Select Member

16 years ago

#18

And I just want Harrell to stay healthy this year so we can see what we got out of that pick...

"MassPackFan" wrote:

I rode that train last year, only to be let down. I will probably ride that train again, however this year I won't:

I think I killed off a number of brain cells last year waiting.. :lol:

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

zombieslayer
Registered

16 years ago

#19

2008
2 Jordy Nelson - good
2 Brian Brohm - good (value wise)
2 Patrick Lee - ??? (I'm high on him)
3 Jermichael Finley - good (value wise)
4 Jeremy Thompson - ???
4 Josh Sitton - good
5 Breno Giacomini - ???
7 Matt Flynn - great
7 Brett Swain - ???

"millertime" wrote:

I'd say Brohm was a letdown actually, but the thing was, I probably would have done the same thing. We needed a backup for Aaron. Jordy though I'm stoked with.

2007
1 Justin Harrell - bust
2 Brandon Jackson - okay
3 James Jones - good
3 Aaron Rouse - good
4 Allen Barbre - average
5 David Clowney - bad
6 Korey Hall - good
6 Desmond Bishop - good
6 Mason Crosby - great
7 DeShawn Wynn - okay
7 Clark Harris - ???

"millertime" wrote:

Jackson I'm high on and I think he needs more carries. Jones I think is our sleeper. I believe he will eventually replace Driver. Rouse I'm also high on. Clowney I wouldn't say bad; I'd say he's a project. He's on the Jets now, and we're still waiting to see if he can adjust to NFL level. He's a 5th round pick, so you don't expect him to be the next Randy Moss, but you do expect him to contribute a little.

2006

1 A.J. Hawk - okay
2 Daryn Colledge - okay
2 Greg Jennings - great
3 Abdul Hodge - bad
3 Jason Spitz - good
4 Cory Rodgers - bad
4 Will Blackmon - good
5 Ingle Martin - bad
5 Tony Moll - okay
6 Johnny Jolly - great
6 Tyrone Culver - bad
7 Dave Tollefson - bad

"millertime" wrote:

AJ Hawk, I would have picked too so I'm not going to fault TT. Gregorious was an incredible pick. Agreed on the rest.

2005

1 Aaron Rodgers - great
2 Nick Collins - great
2 Terrence Murphy - bad luck
4 Marviel Underwood - bad
4 Brady Poppinga - okay
5 Junius Coston - bad
5 Michael Hawkins - bad
6 Mike Montgomery - okay
6 Craig Bragg - bad
7 Kurt Campbell - bad
7 William Whitticker - bad
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Agreed. Bummer about Murphy.

[quote="millertime"]
I guess in my opinion, Ted Thompson made:

4 great picks (A-Rod, Collins, Jennings, and Jolly)

6 good picks (Spitz, Blackmon, Bishop, Hall, Rouse, and Jones)

5 okay picks (Hawk, Jackson, Wynn, Poppinga, Montgomery, Moll, and Colledge) in 05, 06, and 07 (I'm not counting 2008 yet).

Does this constitute great drafting, good drafting, or average drafting?

"millertime" wrote:

Solid, which is better than good, but not great. I don't know if I'd put Spitz in "good" status quite yet though.

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millertime
Member Topic Starter

16 years ago

#20

I hope Harrell will break out as well. The guy makes me sick, but he's a Packer so I am praying that he can help this team.

I wonder whether he will play DE or NT in our new scheme. Maybe he'll just play DT in our 4-3 set ups.

I hope he can play DE in the 3-4 because we need the most help at that position. He is listed at 6-4 and 320 lbs on Packers.com (don't know if that weight is accurate!) He has the height to play DE in the 3-4 and the athleticism (great TE in high school). I just wonder about his weight/injuries.

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