Porforis
6 years ago
Honestly I think part of it was, unlike the entire preseason and large swaths of game 1 (in which we were actively fighting the clock and had a fire under our asses), that a much more complex offense was being called. More moving people in and out of the backfield, more offensive substitutions, more switching from pass to run and vice versa. Not only do those things themselves take time, everyone needs to be on the same page and if someone isn't, that's something that needs to be corrected.

It really hurt us last game for sure, that being said I do think it will be much better next week and for the rest of the season. Growing pains and unfortunately one of the downsides of playing a super vanilla offense through the preseason and vanilla scripted nonsense for the first half of week one.
buckeyepackfan
6 years ago
The way I see it., you're damned if you do, youre damned if you don't.

Seattle 2016, Mike did what ANY coach would do, Ron theball, make them use up their timeouts, and then run out the clock.
One of Amy 4 or 5 plays don't happen and The Packers would have won.

The difference between now and then, Imoh, is that Mike trusts Aaron when it comes to changing the calls.

I believe Aaron was going for the kill shot, and just missed it.

Again, The Packers still should have won, if not for terrible roughing call.
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KRK
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6 years ago
I think we are conflating issues...
1. Getting the play in on time.
2. Overall clock management
The first is part of the second, and greatly affects overall clock management, especially when you have to needlessly burn timeouts because you don't get the play in on time.
However, I had hoped there would be more specific discussion on why it seems to take us more time to get the play in.
Porforis, your post was helpful in this regard. Nevertheless, other team have packages of players they substitute, but we consistently burn t/o's when we don't to. That shortcoming will cost us games if not corrected.
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nyrpack
6 years ago
Ive said it for yrs now , we lead the league in timeouts, some are needed but many are wasted , that to me is a coaching responsibility, Aaron is smart and knows what he’s doing , it’s time for the coaching staff to educated those around him !!
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steveishere
6 years ago
The TOs don't really bother me that much if they make sense. If it's 3rd and 2 or something and you are getting close to FG range yeah call the time out that's an important conversion. Against Minnesota there was one where it was like 3rd and 12 and we called the TO but the next play was basically a give up screen pass. Just take the penalty there if you aren't going to run something with a decent chance of converting.
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6 years ago

The TOs don't really bother me that much if they make sense. If it's 3rd and 2 or something and you are getting close to FG range yeah call the time out that's an important conversion. Against Minnesota there was one where it was like 3rd and 12 and we called the TO but the next play was basically a give up screen pass. Just take the penalty there if you aren't going to run something with a decent chance of converting.

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I am with you Steve. My personal philosophy is if they have to burn a TO, they better score on this drive. The flip side is you are always within first down range with Aaron. I can't speak to your specific play. The give up shorter passes are usually a checkdown. The deeper routes being covered they are forced to take what's leftover. The ol "who knows maybe the receiver will break a big one".
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Cheesey
6 years ago
I would like to see them let Rodgers call the plays at the line. Would save time on calls coming in. After all, your QB is the “general” on the field anyway. So why not let him make the decisions on what plays to run?
That’s how they used to do it.
I can see if the QB is a newbie to not have him call plays, but a guy that’s been in the league a long time? Why not? You could see how he does, and if he can’t handle it, go back to the coach calling plays.
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